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@Riot,Why nerf Elise again?!

CupcakeKítty·9/4/2015, 9:48:26 PM·61 votes·4,915 views

Do you know the state she was in pre patch 5.14? You may as well just rework her or delete her... #BetterNerfElise, seriously at 50 % win rate she is on par balanced better then she was pre 5.14 and now you're gonna nerf her again... Meanwhile toplane is taking over the ban spots.Eg. Fiora,Darius,Garen. Please look at the champs you have just reworked,Elise doesn't even hold a candle to their OP'ness level.Maybe some really doesn't want Elise to be in Worlds so they don"t have to make a skin for her.

What annoys me is that they buff Elise into viability and competitive play and she is doing much better at a 50 % win rate then they nerf her human q dmg in half and now some dps on her spiderlings,it's annoying because they just fixed her and now they're gonna do stuff that may just get her gutted again.I mean this nerf may not gut her I may be overexaggerating but it may get to a point where they just nerf her for all the wrong reasons again,like start making it a trend.

72 Comments

Only Play Darius9/4/2015, 9:53:52 PM23 votes

This nerf to spiderling damage is going to hurt her A LOT. I don't think people realize that most of her late-game damage actually comes from the spiderlings.

Angry Monster9/4/2015, 10:37:19 PM12 votes

This hit is a way overboard consider 2 patches ago they haved human Q. But she is a lee sin counter # worlds

Mrfishii9/4/2015, 10:43:56 PM8 votes

Totally agree. There's a handful of champions just dominating the game right now and Elise isn't one of them cough Skarner. Elise has good early game and mid game in turn for her lack-luster late game. Elise doesn't reward bad play either but rewards good play; landing a good stun can mean a huge difference, likewise mastering turret dives is another component which rewards good players. Anyone who can't proficiently play Elise is pretty useless, unlike some newly changed champions cough. At the same time, even a good Elise can be beaten, she's mediocre in team fights and again she doesn't scale well into late game.

Hate that just because she's being seen competitive she gets nerfed over solo-que champions who absolutely need a nerf.

CatSith9/4/2015, 10:32:23 PM5 votes

Shes finally in a good spot and Riot wants to fuck that up. -.-

FantasySniper9/4/2015, 11:31:03 PM4 votes

I am going to argue here that her win-rate only looks like that because of how popular she is. Her early game is monstrous, and with any sort of lead, she snowballs until literally everyone's full build.

That said, they're taking her into the way wrong direction here. Her late game needs the opposite of nerfing.

Hard4Hamsters9/4/2015, 10:50:07 PM4 votes

I don't think this is that big of a nerf to her honestly. She was stronger in 5.14 than she was in season 3 and 4 and I think this is a fair nerf considering that they buffed the shit out of them by making them do magic damage and increased the AP scaling. That probably would have been enough BEFORE the change to her E stun duration change to make her decent. I do think this change is maybe a little extreme and maybe they could increase it to 30 damage at lvl16, but Elise is going to be strong as long as she has such a powerful stun at level 1 E. She doesn't need more than that to be competitively viable at this point.

I'm honestly more upset about the Q change that didn't go through last patch. They were going to change human Q to a DOT and that would have been brilliant as it got rid of the %currentHP which would reduce her chunking ability (and with Rylais + Liandry's it would do comparable damage, if not more). But mostly, this was such a good thematic change that would make her NEUROTOXIN behave more like a NEUROTOXIN. This has always upset me and I've wanted some DOT on Elise so bad for the longest time, and instead they just said "fuck it, let's just reduce the damage".

Totalis9/6/2015, 12:27:10 AM4 votes

I completely agree. Elise is finally playable again and is honestly in a good spot, with there being tons of other bigger threats (mord, vayne,fiora,gp, garen, darius, skarner). She doesn't need this nerf. #savethespider

PokladnicaZla9/5/2015, 6:36:35 AM3 votes

Is this an overnerf? Yes Does she need nerfing? Yes,haven't you played 1 game against her ?

I agree with you that those nerfs are far too dramatic,but what else do you suggest? She the 4th most banned champion (LoLKing->All regions),while the 1st is Skarner,2ndMorde and 3th Fiora. Winrates Platinum Max ~54% , Min ~49% , Diamond Max ~55% ,Min ~49.

I know how frustraiting it must to see the champion being buffed to ˝Viability˝then being gutted again into Cassiopeia tier,but you also have to undertsand that she is currently annoying to deal with and possibly borken. Instead of just posting ˝RITO don't gut her!˝ ,post how they could cut her power without leaving her worthless in game.Maybe a different effect on her Q when used on champions and minions/monsters? You seem pretty passionet about her,come up with something great.

Skypual9/4/2015, 9:58:01 PM3 votes

I agree, I'm so sad and I recently bought Elise.

Xela Syab9/5/2015, 6:40:19 AM3 votes

guys she's wrecking in competitive play. The best players IN THE WORLD are having trouble with her and she snowballs every lane she ganks in.

CatSith9/4/2015, 11:33:40 PM2 votes

Since her last nerf Elise's lowered to a moderate state of 50% win rate. Which is reasonable and the best spot she has ever been in. Riot always takes things a little too far towards balancing Elise, while other champions get free passes.

The Bearded Bard9/5/2015, 4:29:32 PM2 votes

It's probably because she's got a crazy strong early game, and builds full tank while still doing a shit ton of damage late game.

Totalis9/6/2015, 3:00:03 AM2 votes

gotta bump this thread, spread the truth

idoki9/4/2015, 11:08:56 PM1 votes

Rito be like

Tourian9/9/2015, 9:43:45 PM1 votes

Notice how riot never comments on Elise like they do with other contexts questions.

Mcprowlington9/9/2015, 8:18:31 PM1 votes

Anyone try her on the PBE to check out just how much she's been hurt or how she feels now?

ScarnMichaelScar9/5/2015, 5:00:17 PM1 votes

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Do you know the state she was in pre patch 5.14? You may as well just rework her or delete her... #BetterNerfElise, seriously at 50 % win rate she is on par balanced better then she was pre 5.14 and now you're gonna nerf her again... Meanwhile toplane is taking over the ban spots.Eg. Fiora,Darius,Garen. Please look at the champs you have just reworked,Elise doesn't even hold a candle to their OP'ness level.Maybe some really doesn't want Elise to be in Worlds so they don"t have to make a skin for her.

What annoys me is that they buff Elise into viability and competitive play and she is doing much better at a 50 % win rate then they nerf her human q dmg in half and now some dps on her spiderlings,it's annoying because they just fixed her and now they're gonna do stuff that may just get her gutted again.I mean this nerf may not gut her I may be overexaggerating but it may get to a point where they just nerf her for all the wrong reasons again,like start making it a trend.

because elise when she's strong or even balanced isn't stupidly toxic at all nooo.

cleanup crew elise. you at 10% hp? spiderform q bye bye you a tank? e q w r q w e q dead. and this rotation happens much faster than it sounds thanks to changing forms.

elise is like nidalee and jayce. impossible to balance correctly. theyre either bullshittingly strong or ridiculously weak because of the way their kits were designed.

just rework elise because her current kit is just pure unfair toxic bullshit and will never be allowed to be strong again.