Junglers Were Nerfed This Patch Pretty Hard.

King Odin·Nov 11, 2015·15 votes·1,172 views

Early game ganks have been severely hurt because junglers can no longer pick up on first back since it now costs + 700 gold as opposed to + 450 Gold before.
Hunters talisman feels non-existant on and I would think it would be most helpful on him but apparently I can't sustain enough mana to kill 2 camps without going oom. I would much rather have no talisman and my jungle item upon my first back rather than having to invest in 2 jungle items to finally build my .

I know total gold has been increased and jungle monsters gold too, but with TOTAL COST 2250 gold ⇒ 2625 gold it hits junglers hard early game since they still don't get enough gold compared to laners and now I feel like junglers are even more behind especially Tank junglers with slow clears.

18 Comments

MorganFreemanBotNov 11, 20154 votes

Honestly, the jungle just feels bizarre now. I used to be able to clear the entire thing first go as Trundle with no issues. WInd up around 30-40% health with 1 pot left after clearing all of my camps and one (or both) of the crawlers.

Now.. I routinely get near death on my first buff camp after the first small, and the second buff is dicey as hell. And beyond that is scary.

DroogzyNov 11, 20153 votes

To make matters worse, it feels even more snowbally then ever before.

Snowballing junglers were already difficult to deal with, but now its even worse with the changes in gold. If a jungler started snowballing, you could at least guarantee that you would finish your jungle item before it got too unbearable.

With this gold change, that's no longer the case.

I just got off a game as Hecarim where I snowballed my early game and had my jungle item and a triforce completed in the time their Elise had even finished her jungle item because I forced her out of her jungle so early. She didn't even do anything wrong, her laners were just brain dead players.

I'm a pretty experience jungler so I know all the mechanics and working of nearly every champion in the jungle scene, but I've never wrecked another jungler as hard as I did this game.

Part of it is the gold change, the others are definitely the mastery changes.

With 4.5% MS from Quints, and the 5% (I think movement speed boost) from masteries, and 12 MS in brush and rivers, you can translate a kill so fast into a snowball now. It's really disgusting how fast you can move. Before I'd use to have to slink off after a kill because the other lane would generally know where I am, but now I can appear from mid lane to the top or bottom lane in 5 seconds with no problem at all.

Was it fun? absolutely, but on the flip side, it's a little concerning to me the direction of the jungle right now.

TalkrrNov 11, 20152 votes

Yeah, tough season for us Junglers.

AbyssphereNov 12, 20152 votes

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Yeah, tough season for us Junglers.

wtf MasterYi

MAN OF INTELLECTNov 12, 20152 votes

Ayyyy Critchance Yi Babyyyyyy

LetzerNov 11, 20152 votes

I think AP junglers got really hit hard at the early levels. Hunter Talisman is a very bad item since % mana regen is very weak at lower levels.
The refillable potions are worst (100 instead of 150 health regen). Removed the sustain smite. I just don't understand how it helps bring variety to the jungle... Overall- this new season feels more like PBE than anything else... and just too much content at once. Riot will have a hard time keeping up with what they really need to change, to the point where I feel they won't be touching the game for a month, until people figure the new meta.

UberAffeNov 11, 20151 votes

Both nautilus and zac have easy clears ...

Naomi CoffeeGoatNov 11, 20152 votes

He probably didn't take into account their "sustain." Nautilus can soak up damage with his shield and Zac can heal off blobs. And there are masteries that increase healing and shielding. Overall those types of champs survive better than champs without sustain. Jungle is actually pretty hard for a few champs early game now.

King OdinNov 11, 20151 votes

Yes my bad, I didn't mean to include them.

Angry MonsterNov 12, 20151 votes

you should throw mao on that list, riot said he was a top laner then nerfed him out of top lane.

i am not sure what he is

BluePolarizerNov 11, 20151 votes

this sucks so bad.

Hexs FortuneNov 11, 20151 votes

Tank jungles like sion always get the worst of both worlds

DrakylonNov 11, 20151 votes

Hunter's Talisman is so bad that you're better off getting Hunter's Machete even on tanks. The mana regen is practically non-existent, and the sustain is even worse. 20 damage/health over 5 seconds translates to a whopping 4 damage/health per second per target, or 12 health per second on most camps. Hunter's Machete offers +20 damage per hit and +4.8 health per hit at 60 base AD, plus you take less damage overall since all 20 of that damage is focused on the big creep.

ikillutwiceNov 12, 20151 votes

I have also found the increased price of devourer combined with the increase snowball of the game means that it is not such a solid pick

YennNov 12, 20151 votes

H3h3. Lee Sin can still clear with almost full health. Meanwhile, my Udyr clears with 20% health and zero mana, and I can't do anything to impact the game because I'm forced to choose between ganking or jungling, since I don't have mana for both.

This is pretty obviously a ploy to bring Lee Sin back into dominance.

YennNov 12, 20151 votes

p.s. level 5 Tryndamere soloing dragon with 100% health is pretty awesome, too.

arrowhead21kNov 12, 20151 votes

the gold income hasn't increased, it's decreased. the gold you got from jg items last patch was significantly higher than now.

PharohNov 12, 20151 votes

Riot please fix the jungle, honestly just take out item 1039 and go back to the way it was before or fix whats happening now, it's ridiculously hard to clear early game and I end up just getting killed by shacos and rengars at my first buff camp