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so i enjoy jungle talon

DoFr··1 votes·1,074 views

seems sorta reasonable to me first item you get armor pent and AD and CDR, which something you rush on talon and then you get a hydra for faster clears (you get Tiamat as lane talon, but it's jungle, so yea...) mobility boots (you almost get this always in midlane, because Talon's roam is great!) then get a Last whispter

and the regular Assassin itemization

First of all, i just like doing this for fun.

now..

why would i jungle talon? well i'm not a very good midlaner at all, and top lane is way too tanky/hurtful for Talon (think irelia/Nasus/Trundle/cho for tanky, and hurtful for jax/riven/Fiora/Rumble/Kennen) so there is no hope for talon at top

and we all know bot lane isn't the best lane for talon because of the endless harass

jungle seems the second role i'd fill as talon have mid been not your best lane just have the trailblazer

now the only REAL problem here, is 2 things, Runes and Masteries. i honestly haven't fogured a perfect combination for the two, Talon still way too squishie early, your runes and masteries determine how many camps you're going to take before backing.

now i have a good background on jungling, as i normally jungle with nautilus and WW, and aatrox and olaf i know how to handle myself as any of the 3, to clear a good amount of camps, and hit level 3, and be at full health without having to back

but i'm not used to playing extra squishie champions in the jungle (like Ranged champions in the jungle, or like Talon) who doesn't have a legit heal

what i'm thinking is to run a full tank runepage, and itemize myself toward damage, but that makes me clear in a steady wave, but not hitting a good power spike.

anyone got a working jungle talon strategy (in terms of clearing and runes and mastery and what lane to gank first?)

thanks alot!

9 Comments

Kãtãrinã2 votes

I'd probable use my Default jungling runes which is scaling MR glyphs, Armor seals, attack speed marks, and move speed quints. Now im sure you could probable switch the move speed for AD if you feel you need it but then again i have not yet tried talon in the jungle. The rune page currently works for fiora,kha zix,and even some other junglers like katarina jungle but im not sure its affects for talon yet. I'll have to try it out. other then that id still go 21/9/0 in masteries taking the 4 points in fury for better Attack speed and either double edge sword with exposed weakness for better ganks or butcher feast for better sustain or a combination of the sort. i always get Executioner maxed and grab dangerous game usually since your an assassin and your job is to KILL during the gank. Other then that the standard ad things in the mastery page. For defense i grab the recovery and tough skin into bladed armor. Then grab veteran scars into juggernaut to have that little bit more of HP to sustain and clear. Now with this type of build you may have to do krug,red,scuttle,raptors or gromp, blue,scuttle,wolves since scuttle gives u a decent amount of HP back and does no damage to you and by the end of that you'll hit level 3. Now i am no way a jungler main. i main mid lane and i play jungle the second most, aside from playing lissandra and nasus top in ranked. Hope this helped to a certain extent or what not : )

DoFr1 votes

seems intersting, but what about runic affinity?

also can i get more details on jungle katarina? (like to summer up how that goes)

Kãtãrinã1 votes

You also don't NEED runic affinity but if you want to be less durbale in the jungle you can put points in the utility instead of the defense tree. Now jungle katarina i simply max my W and grab either trailblazer as an early start or go blue smite.jungle katarina actually is pretty fun and isn't that hard to do. just the first clear before you upgrade smite would be like talons. just a tad rough causing me to have 2 get scuttle. the masteries would be roughly the same but on katarina i take 21/5/4. Double edged sword and sorcery for extra damage vs enemies when ganking and more CDR. then grab BOTH brute force and mental force and get martial mastery and arcane mastery. the reason is the ad scaling will help with autos as well as your ultimate has a 375% bonus AD scaling and your W has about a 60% bonus AD scaling. Then a grab executioner, due to her being an assassin, and dangerous game cause it give a small reward for killing the enemy and can save your life. I round off the Offense page with devastating strike and havoc. for the defense tree i grab tough skin and bladed armor as well as 2 points in recovery for that little extra sustain. Finally i put 4 points in utility. 1 in scout so you can ward jump easier and gives wards and such extra distance and then 3 points in fleet of foot which gives 1.5% move speed. You max W then Q then E and of course take points in R when ever possible. For more advanced users, and i haven't tested this yet, you can put points like W Q E W W R then max Q from there then max w second then E and r when ever possible. This makes you have a decent damage on W but after level 6 you can get a bit more burst damage due to your Q(which always throw at big monster) and then for its proc. By the way I am a katarina main (in the mid lane) Again hope this information is helpful. I'm also the kind of guy who doesn't see runic affinity as being to necessary but that is opinion based i guess.

Lime Josh1 votes

the reason you cant succeed in the jungle isn't your lack of build/runes but maybe just maybe ITS BECAUSE HES AN ASSASSIN AND NOT A JUNGLER

DoFr1 votes

which part of "for fun" did you not understand? if you don't have anything useful then how about not posting, yea?

Lime Josh1 votes

{quoted}

which part of "for fun" did you not understand? if you don't have anything useful then how about not posting, yea?

so you can have "fun" and play a champion whos not designed to do the role, which therefore causes your team to lose and ruin their "fun". nice logic

SCRAW1 votes

I have jungled as Talon here and there. Early game clears is incredibly difficult due to low base damage on his abilities. His kit doesn't mesh well CLEARING the jungle but it does fit well for the roaming and ganking. I would say getting the trailblazer in 99% of the games to help your early game.

All in all, for jungle Talon to work, you need to do well early game. Getting an early kill is almost necessary and with the tank meta, it is even more difficult than before. Fail to make an impact early and you will be as useful as a fork with a bowl of soup.

Sirsir1 votes

Runes: AD Marks, Armor Seals, MRpL or maybe even CDR Glyphs, and either Armor, MS, or AD quints.

Masteries: Probably 21/9, MAYBE 21/0/9 (I would use 21/9)

Drukyul1 votes

Whenever I play a champ that isn't usually used for jungle, I just grab red and immediately gank with my level 2 advantage. It's the only time in the game when you outlevel everyone, so you may as well abuse it. Even if you don't get a kill, you can sometimes win a lane for your ally that way. I usually don't start with Machete when I do this, by the way: Doran's or a Longsword (and a hard leash) give me damage to champs that helps with the gank. I generally have enough gold one way or another to get the Machete when I go back, plus the damage from my first item and the jungle clear from that point isn't too bad.

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