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Sion's passive

Lieutenant AmaZe·11/19/2014, 5:29:59 PM·4 votes·1,014 views

[11:02:45] Amadeus Koch: On 11/19/2014, at 01:44, ammy wrote:

sion kinda sucks right now

Err Didn't they just rework him to suck less [11:05:32] Rai "Economical" Taki: Did they patch him so that his HP loss during passive isn't %-based? [11:05:58] Rai "Economical" Taki: Because until then building tanky on Sion means shooting your passive in the foot [11:09:21] Jaed "Kilin" Norberg: They did patch him so he can build tanky. [11:09:30] Rai "Economical" Taki: Really? [11:09:34] Jaed "Kilin" Norberg: I forgot what they did though. [11:09:43] Rai "Economical" Taki: I never noticed, tanky sions still evaporated roughly as fast to me [11:10:29] Amadeus Koch:** I think they switched it out to be based upon level instead** [11:10:43] Jaed "Kilin" Norberg: Yeah [11:10:46] Jaed "Kilin" Norberg: That was it [11:11:35] Amadeus Koch: ~~ max health (0.5% max health first tick, increasing by 0.4% max health per tick) ~~⇒ champion level (2 x level first tick, increasing by 1.4 x level per tick) [11:12:09] Jaed "Kilin" Norberg: I think it's interesting how they chose to keep his serious weakness to kiting. [11:12:40] Rai "Economical" Taki: Oh yeah, that's a problem [11:12:53] Amadeus Koch: Amadeus Koch Wolfram Alpha [11:12:57] Amadeus Koch: http://puu.sh/cXijH/acc653aa58.png [11:13:00] Amadeus Koch:** 16 ticks later** [11:13:05] Amadeus Koch:** Sion's passive eats 3,600 HP** [11:13:27] Rai "Economical" Taki: a sion who can maintain passive for 16 ticks is impressive as hell [11:14:38] Amadeus Koch: Six? [11:14:49] Amadeus Koch: I suppose that would be the case if they used their passive to chase down enemies into turrets [11:14:55] Amadeus Koch: Six ticks just from the passive is 594 HP [11:14:57] Amadeus Koch: At level 18 [11:15:18] Rai "Economical" Taki: Well, that and champs shooting at them [11:15:32] Amadeus Koch: what I had meant to imply here... [11:16:14] Rai "Economical" Taki: Is this total or just the sixth tick [11:16:18] Amadeus Koch: Total [11:16:22] Amadeus Koch: These are cumulative [11:16:35] Amadeus Koch: 6 -> 594 10 -> 1494 16 -> 3600 [11:17:38] Amadeus Koch: Assuming level 18 [11:18:28] Amadeus Koch: Level 3 Sions deal with 6 -> 99 10 -> 249 16 -> 600 [11:18:45] Amadeus Koch: Which... actually seems rather in line with how /guaranteed to be dead/ they would be, then [11:19:12] Amadeus Koch: What in the world would make them think that basing this off of max HP would be a good idea [11:20:28] Rai "Economical" Taki: The same reason they thought evasion runes were a good idea C|:^ ) [11:21:59 | Edited 11:22:35] Amadeus Koch: max health (0.5% max health first tick, increasing by 0.4% max health per tick) ⇒ champion level (2 x level first tick, increasing by 1.4 x level per tick) Now, how this works out is that you come out on top, initially, with the previous method if your max HP is 7,200 or less The exponential growth of the first becomes faster than the second, if your max HP is 6,300 or more GJ RITO NOW SION EVAPORATES EVEN FASTER THAN PREVIOUSLY [11:23:13] Amadeus Koch:*** tl;dr you need > ~6,600 HP to make /better/ use of Sion's new passive than pre-4.19*** [11:23:55] Rai "Economical" Taki: w [11:24:37] Rai "Economical" Taki: "how to not punish people for building tanky sion?" [11:24:45] Rai "Economical" Taki: "punish them for playing sion! NAILED IT" [11:25:07] Rai "Economical" Taki: audience claps

3 Comments

Lieutenant AmaZe11/19/2014, 6:39:04 PM1 votes

[12:29:06] Amadeus Koch: So expanding on the Sion Maths [12:29:18] Amadeus Koch: Previously, building tanky did not "shoot the passive in the foot" [12:30:10 | Edited 12:30:17] Amadeus Koch: Rather, its basing on maximum HP kinda makes it to where if you chose to wait it out and didn't restore or take any damage, then you will hit 100% HP loss in 22 ticks, no matter what your max HP is [12:31:21] Amadeus Koch: The instatement of the level in the passive makes this actually work against you worse over time [12:32:18] Amadeus Koch: As the factor of the level is linear, and has to contend with your base HP first A Sion at Lv. 1 with no item, rune, or mastery influence has 493 HP [12:32:40] Amadeus Koch: The 16 ticks from earlier using the level system, would deal 200 damage to you at Lv. 1 [12:33:07] Amadeus Koch: At Lv. 3, an unmodified Sion has 639 HP, and the 16 ticks deal 600 damage to him [12:36:23] Amadeus Koch: Since you can only attack while in Glory in Death, it seems that AD is the only viable build path for him, seeing as that's how you would capitalize on that 100% lifesteal and 10% max HP bonus damage [12:37:17] Amadeus Koch: You'd essentially have to beat down everyone in your way, starting with the tanks, with them putting up zero resistance at all to be able to survive for much longer than 16 ticks [12:37:23] Amadeus Koch: Fascinating.

That being said, forget that I posed an issue with Sion's passive. The idea that it's actually harder to work with now sounds hideous on paper, but these extra circumstances that surround it actually warp it around to sounding.... almost interesting again. Now if only Sions with procced passives wouldn't toss themselves at the enemy and die in 1.5 seconds.

Steinhakase11/19/2014, 7:01:35 PM1 votes

Why even use decaying health? Wouldn't be a static time far easier to balance than making the mechanic such a gimmick? Ok I can see they want to make him killable in his second life but why don't make it something like: Duration 4/6/8 seconds and can take 8/10/12 instances of dmg based on his lvl?

RazorTS11/19/2014, 9:20:36 PM1 votes

So true, riot is full at incompetent people right now, what the hell were they thinking, the speed he decays is noticeable, they don't bother even testing beforehand....

And if you add the fact it takes you forever to die most of the time none is around to attack or heck even if they are you cant because his hitbox is retarded and you are not in range to attack them LOL