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Malz's reworked passive has been causing problems since day 1

Void Baboon RF·11/23/2017, 4:42:47 AM·87 votes·3,073 views

because an anti assassin mage whose defining weakness was his immobility shouldn't be given that added layer of safety.

So lets just never address it, pretend it was good design, and just fuck around with Malz's ratios till the end of time because if we actually changed it it would be admitting this entire incredibly half assed Malz rework journey was a completely pointless waste of time and resources.

Riot games.

And you know what else really gets me about Malz's new passive. You used it to get rid of the old passive. The old voidlings which facilitated a completely different but no less effective style of Malz play, that of AD jungle Malz. You killed AD jungle Malz, which had a high skill floor and unique pet based playstyle, just so you could give him a boring lazy lame as shit bubble you can't balance. I know you've all admitted those class reworks were a mistake, so why not just shelve the current Malz rework till you have time to actually give him a proper rework, maybe even one that emphasizes his pets and not so much his ability to make Kat and Yasuo mains cry in all chat.

65 Comments

Rebonack11/23/2017, 5:05:19 AM35 votes

I'm still holding out hope that Malz gets a 100% revert some day.

Old Malz just felt more fun to play, even if the new Malz is (and has been) busted as balls more often than not.

Succubús GF11/23/2017, 10:26:27 AM12 votes

I honestly wish theyd revert every rework they fucked up on and start over. Legit no reason for champions to suffer because of riot's piss poor decision making.

Xavanic11/23/2017, 5:03:51 AM10 votes

His passive was a good concept, but it should have been put onto someone like aurelion or Karma, not a hybrid assassin

SweedishGunner11/23/2017, 12:53:45 PM9 votes

That's a pretty huge ult nerf on the PBE which in turn just makes him even more of an ult bot.

You don't play Malz to do damage. You play Malz to press R on the most fed enemy so your ADC can kill them.

Zane Zephyr11/23/2017, 6:05:22 AM8 votes

Malzahar is my favorite champion and is what really got me into playing league and it just really upsets me that they thought that shifting that much of his power budget into his passive and dumping on the rest of his kit was a good idea, then continuing to nerf his passive AND the rest of his kit and gave him almost literally zero buffs.

I wish his rework was more thoroughly thought/planned out because it has failed pretty hard at the end of the day. I was looking forward to see what they were going to do to him with the update, but they ended up making him somewhat of a shell of his former self.

They need to give him a different passive so the rest of his kit doesn't have to suffer because of it.

Βig Βoss 11/23/2017, 12:03:44 PM7 votes

as a malzahar main (over 500k mastery points) i just wanna full revert and riot never rework him again. the only change i would accept is to change his ulti into skill shot

Jamochawoke11/23/2017, 10:52:04 AM5 votes

I really miss old Malz. His kit rework was the reason I quit the game for a very long time. It was completely unnecessary. I missed being the strongest zoning mage (which is now Xerath and Cass, both of which are scripted to hell and back) and I miss the challenge of dropping an entire combo and ulting someone actually on the pool for max damage.

hhaavviikk11/23/2017, 11:25:54 AM4 votes

well yeah this is riot, that means they will nerf and change every single thing except the problem, changing how W works, how his ult works, his E reset, they will change EVERYTHING except his passive, because that's how riot works

A Bad Nasus11/23/2017, 5:19:20 PM3 votes

I like how there are no compensation buffs to his e.

I guess I'm not picking malz mid anymore. again...

Because it is fun to play an immobile mage that has no kill pressure by himself.

Edit.

Also I just noticed that is a big fucking nerf. 30% of the ap scaling? If the plan was to kill malzahar then I say this is a job well done.

[zombie-brand-clap]

Poro Power11/24/2017, 1:32:57 AM2 votes

I don't understand OP's concern. Late Game Malzahar (Rylais, Liandries,Morello, Boots) is one of the most disgusting things in the game. The control of the battlefield with a Rylais Q is massive. But the way to it can be rocky. Getting to 4 Items takes a lot of time / gold.

Malzahars Ult is very punishing to overextending Divers and Assassins, but Malz players know that you can't just flash ult the enemy ADC in teamfights. You punish the people that overextend / are too far off from their team. I think having someone like Malzahar is good for the game. We saw at worlds the 4k+ HP tanks and that Malzahar was able to deal with that.

Having a lever like that is a good tool for the game. I enjoy Malzahar's playstyle. It's pretty unique compared to other mages. Succesfully ulting a target feels good.

I think his **weakness **with the long range mages in lane is pretty distinct, so I'm not sure how much problems his "lacking" counterplay is. Just look in your games how long it takes for enemy carries to build QSS - bad players just are too greedy and think they can manage without it. And the fact that Malzahars Passive can be broken with Auto Attacks - dunno. His kit can clearly be distorting when numbers or item interactions like Liandries are too strong, but the current iteration seems to be a good addition to the Mage Roster.

Bouncemaster Zac11/24/2017, 9:25:52 AM2 votes

This is their whole method of balance in a nutshell. Identify the problem, then address anything but the problem. They will never, ever touch what is considered the Champ's "core identity" even if that identity is the whole reason they're toxic in the first place.

Rezlac11/23/2017, 12:03:40 PM2 votes

The big issue with old Malzahar was his ult. The reason he needed to be changed was due to his ult taking squishies from 100-0 and even with qss they were dead due to the beam persisting through qss. They fixed that issue by making the puddle on his ult the damage BUT THEN they changed it so his beam dealt damage again even when you used qss. With the rework they just added more stuff to malzahar that makes him un fun to play against and toxic for the game. The passive has to go or be changed, the suppression ult needs to be changed like every other suppression ult and he may be a better champ to deal with. The changes to his minions was great, his e has lot's of counter play, his q is fine as well. The suppression ult and immunity passive should NOT exist on the same champ.

Feathermane11/23/2017, 4:32:57 PM2 votes

No it hasn't. The Veigar non-rework is a problem, however.

OP Garen Support11/24/2017, 1:29:10 AM2 votes

Riot is actively killing mages ever since the MYMU. First they stole AP from the items ( deleted DFG -120 AP). I remember it was easy to get 800-1000 AP on every mage. The shitty reworks noone asked for or liked. item 1056 nerf. item 3026 became AD only. Mages always had weak start because of mana problems, games are way shorter but mages are still gated by mana. New runes system the mage keystones sucks so damn hard compared to the AD keystones. Riot is forcing ADC as the only carry class. (people cry about mages that they dont have counterplay, because ADC has them in their "skillshot" resourceless basic attacks)

I dont watch pro play nor care about it, so I might be wrong, but isn't Faker a mid mage main?

If yes the no wonder he lost the championship as a Mage main in the ADC Meta.

I was a Malzahar main for 2 years, but ever since the update it feels terrible playing as him. I only get tilted playing him because enemies always run away with no hp, dying to diving because I deal not enough damage, retarded minions chasing farm instead of helping me fight the enemy champions. His E and R damage was the most satisfying thing about him and it got gutted to have a spellshield. Which is laughably easy to poke with 1 simple basic attack, not to mention the paper minions dying to enemy champion farting on them.

Gregorovic0811/23/2017, 8:54:20 PM1 votes

As I recall they shifted his play style away from pets with come changes to his kit. When his voidlings were strong he became an unhealthy support champion who could just e-w people to death.

invisiblecat111/23/2017, 7:05:45 PM1 votes

He also suffers from his ultimate being point and click, as he will keep receiving nerfs as long as he keeps the point and click suppression