if auto-fill is here, then why did we change the way selection works? you had a chance of being forced to support before but it's still the case with auto-fill
you could have trolls threating people to give them the lane they want, but it's still the case if people get auto-filled to supports since they will just pick their champ and go in the support role without buying sightstone
literally nothing changed except having higher queue time thoughts?
DeathBurst8 votesIt's still much better than before.
ACENOX3 votesyes people argued, but in the end nothing changed you still have people trolling in the support role
DeathBurst4 votesA lot of things changed. Before, it happened every other game. Now, it happens every 10 games or so. It's much better.
Ahristocats2 votesso you think that people used to argue in every game?
lmao just lmao
DeathBurst3 votesI do think that before there was more games with people arguing about positions than there are games now with people auto-filled and arguing about it.
And I started playing in mid-Season 4. It's not second hand information.
Khell DarkWolf5 votesRiot should have never implemented Dynamic queue and Champion selection (and pretty much everything starting from the pre-season 6 changes, masteries etc).
By giving players a taste of what it is like to select your desired role, players stopped diversifying into other roles and being flexible as a teammate.
Quality of matches went down when this happened, I jumped into games and witnessed that before the season 6 changes I had teammates we'd communicate what our preferences were and work around that (especially work out on champ trades more often).
Season 6 changes come, the atmosphere completely changed. Everyone gravitates more to not just one singular role, but even one champion (myself included) and now you got people that aren't working together on being flexible or open to team comps because there is no reason for them to alter their playstyle when it is encouraged by the system. People even pay less attention to lobby when this happened.
Because players got a taste of role selection they don't have to play anything else and thus are groomed to play only narrow roles of one or two positions
^This increases queue time lengths
Because not enough people are willingly playing the support role as queue times are increased, Riot enables autofill
^A feature that is supposed to lower queue times actually is the opposite, because players of TODAY are used to playing their narrow band of positions since it was encouraged from the get-go with the new champion select system implemented in season 6. They now dodge queue lobbies when they don't get what they want. Result, queue times go up even higher.
^Now that players are getting autofilled and are now dodging. A portion of the player base disappears in addition to whats mentioned above to wait things out. Thus higher queue times are again increased due to missing players.
^Queue times are increasing higher and higher as time passes. Riot sees it and implements the "Autofill one game and get a guaranteed role for two others etc etc"
^Cause is, while some players think its okay to autofill once in and awhile, while others don't. Another portion of players disappear, while those autofilling get their role in the next game
^While those players that autofilled are GUARANTEED ** their roles in the next game they queue for. Matchmaking has to find someone_ NOT GUARANTEED **_ their role to fill. Thus the queue times increase even more. Perpetually worsening the cycle.
^Some players get tired of the waiting and another cannot stand the autofill feature, they drop their queues or go play something else. The queues start to become void and increase the problem more.
This doesn't include the fact that missing playerbases are spread among each type of queue. Those that got upset when solo queue removed in the past, to those waiting for the new solo queue to come back, those tired of other changes to the game ruining their experience etc etc.
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Death and Doom2 votesto be fair, look at LCS. in a way, Riot is grooming us for LCS since the people there all play one lane, since thats the best way to excel at that lane. and why do LCS do it? because they play the best at that role. so, riot is making us play our best.
i know its poorly phrased, but i hope you get the general meaning.
Khell DarkWolf1 votes[{quoted}](name=Death and Doom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cyRkpEV4,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-11-27T16:42:27.118+0000)
to be fair, look at LCS. in a way, Riot is grooming us for LCS since the people there all play one lane, since thats the best way to excel at that lane. and why do LCS do it? because they play the best at that role. so, riot is making us play our best.
i know its poorly phrased, but i hope you get the general meaning.
yeah I understand and I get it.
And hopefully people don't misunderstand me.
I like having the choice to select a role I want, but at the same time I used to be a jungle main that secondary support as my preference.
Role selection took my secondary position out of the equation because it made it forced all the time.
After experiencing all the stuff going on, I'm honestly more of a proponent of just going back to the original draft style instead of having everyone and myself deal with queue issues and the like.
I enjoyed pick order, but also the ability for myself and others to communicate trades and other roles for each player to play as more often that the old queue encouraged. If I knew someone on my team couldn't support or top, I'd try to help fill in the gaps and so would other people as well.
Old draft was tolerable and more enjoyable from my stand point then what we have now.
The old queue you had the ability to communicate a role change through the pick order with another player. You can't argue with an algorithmic machine placing you into your role, and players today really aren't flexible in changing what they queued for.
I think that is the biggest issue we have in regards to autofill, is the loss of control in queuing up for games now.
SecondChanceHero4 votesliterally nothing changed except having higher queue time
Exactly.
They should just remove Role Selection entirely tbh.
Sahn Uzal3 votesThe quality of games really just goes to shit tbh :/
PlanetWarwick1 votesFunny story, me and my friend both got auto filled and after nobody wanted to give our better roles we got stuck botlane So we went voli singed botlane against Ashe and naut and I'm pretty sure that Ashe uninstalled
SSrikeShadow1 votesRemove support position - problem solved.
