@Riot Taliyah

Brain Errör 404·Dec 22, 2016·26 votes·2,008 views

Is currently under a 1% play rate AND has under a 40% WR. Anything happening with this champ?

44 Comments

BlakiepugDec 22, 201615 votes

Azir : Daughter of the sands, you've come back to me. Taliyah : ;~;

Legacy HydralphaDec 23, 201610 votes

Azir : Sit here with me in garbage tier as we discuss Shuriman politics and our potential reworks.

Suspicious XebraDec 23, 20162 votes

Nasus THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE SHURIMAN CHAMPION OF HIGH VALUE

MelledoneusDec 23, 20164 votes

Taliyah Wait, who are you and where are you going? Sivir I am leaving, and good luck. Taliyah With what...? Sivir Him. Shuts the door Taliyah Hm... that's weird. He doesn't seem that bad- Azir Clutching Shuriman Ale TALIYAH, LET US BUILD A FORTRESS WITH A SAND MOAT. IN THE NAME OF SHURIMA. SHURIMAAAAAAAA! Taliyah Ok, never mind, GET ME OUT OF HERE! Tries to get out but sand soldiers push her back in Azir NASUS, COME JOIN US! WE'RE GONNA BUILD AN EMPIRE! Nasus ...no. Last time you had an empire it fell. Azir Starts crying Nasus Not this again... sigh Taliyah, there's a sock puppet in that cabinet behind you. Taliyah W-what?!? Nasus Put on your best singing voice and think of your best lullaby. Taliyah Eh?!?

IcyPepperDec 23, 20162 votes

THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS...

AuraCreedDec 22, 20166 votes

I see a Taliyah post I upvote.

Also there was a Q buff recently. I still miss her old W though.

Wild LoonDec 22, 20165 votes

Did you read new patch notes?

sit kidDec 22, 20163 votes

From FF20, hotfix

Taliyah

Threaded Volley (Q) 
    Damage increased to 70/95/120/145/170 from 60/80/100/120/140
    AP ratio increased to 45% from 40%
    Subsequent hits on same unit now deal 60% reduced damage from 50%

Brain Errör 404Dec 22, 20163 votes

Slight buffs and even a tacked on a nerf as well.

sit kidDec 22, 201612 votes

It means that first volley does more damage, the ones afterwards does the same

Brain Errör 404Dec 22, 20162 votes

Ohhh, okay. I read that wrong. Out of context, my bad. I thought it was reducing damage by 60%, not doing 60% damage from 100.

The Blue RajahDec 22, 20163 votes

Not really. Flat buff across the board. No matter how many you hit on a single target, the total is higher (buff). It's more frontloaded now (buff). If you spread the volley across multiple targets, like in waveclearing, it's a major damage increase (buff).

That's not to say that she might not need more help, but as a direct buff to her primary damage skill, it is significant.

Brain Errör 404Dec 22, 20161 votes

Yeah, I realized I read it wrong. I tend to confuse context a lot due to some comprehension issues. It takes me awhile to understand things, especially when they aren't all that straight forward.

The Blue RajahDec 22, 20162 votes

Yeah, tooltips have been getting more and more complicated as time goes on

PaladinNODec 23, 20163 votes

Yeah, tooltips have been getting more and more complicated as time goes on

QFT!

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Leo1024Dec 22, 20169 votes

she doesn't need more damage on her Q she needs to revert the nerfs from 6.14 and give her back extra damage to minions, not 50% all game because it's abused in competitive but it should scale (15%/25%/35%/45%/50%) per level

they're putting the wrong power in the wrong places

VenomarDec 23, 20162 votes

Taliyah is really stuck between a rock and a hard place right now. If you buff her clear she snowballs too hard becuase she can roam all over hell, but if you buff her damage she becomes overly oppressive in lane becuase she already just shits on everyone in the right hands. Most of the great Taliyah players I see don't often lose the game themselves, they kick loads off ass. The issue is she's good at popping people AND roaming so whatever riot does will make her a lot better at both.

She can blow people up like a Syndra, the damage is there, but also effect other lanes like a Twisted fate with her ult. Becuase of that I don't see her getting a whole hell of a lot of love because she'll just become overturned for the top 1% again. She'll have to see a significant shift in either her roaming or damage stylation to see her be great at anything.

Sadly for now she'll have to deal with being decent with both while other Champs are doing either a lot better individually.

Brain Errör 404Dec 22, 20162 votes

I've seen it, I just don't think it's enough to make her relevant.

kitcat300Dec 23, 20162 votes

Well lets do the math (If I can do it right)

Previous Rank 5 is 140 (40% AP) damage on the first hit and 50% power, 70 (20% AP), on the next 4.

140 + (70 x 4) = 420 (120% AP) Damage

Buff Rank 5 is 170 (45% AP) damage on the first hit ~~and 60% power, 102 (27% AP), on the next 4.~~

~~In total, a fully landed volley does an additional 158 (33% AP) damage. ~~

~~To me it looks pretty significant, at least on paper.~~ and 40% power, 68(18% AP), on the next four.

170 + (68 x 4) = 442(117% AP) Damage

EDIT: Ok never mind, if SteelMankind is right, then the only real buff is about plus 20 base damage.

SteelMankindDec 23, 20162 votes

Math is wrong on 2nd calculation. It's 60% REDUCED damage, as in, 40% of original damage. A full volley actually has a slightly lower ap scaling (.03) than prior to this patch (they mention it in the notes). I'm not sure about the base damage, it could be better at some ranks of the ability and lower at others.

kitcat300Dec 23, 20161 votes

Crap, I think your right. Makes sense actually, them just plain adding on 200+ damage is a little crazy.

AkeneroDec 22, 20165 votes

She just isn't played for whatever reason, she's still amazing though <3

warpenguin555Dec 22, 20163 votes

IKR. My last few games i played i've done pretty well in lane. Under rated champion

TheGoomyGamerDec 23, 20161 votes

{quoted}

She just isn't played for whatever reason, she's still amazing though <3

Got her from a chest and player her today. If u can land her W then all of ur other skills are easy to land and the burst is disgusting.

warpenguin555Dec 22, 20165 votes

Only Taliyah support is under 40%. Taliyah mid is at 44%. But shes supposed to be a harder champions so i see nothing wrong with her having a low win rate

Brain Errör 404Dec 22, 20162 votes

Even Azir had a 45-47% winrate and yet he's still loads better than Taliyah at almost all stages of the game even with all the nerfs he received. I like Taliyah, I really do. I just find her really subpar. She's suppose to be a hyper roam champ, somewhat similar to TF but with a bit more mechanical output to her. She's not doing any of her jobs particularly well.

sit kidDec 22, 20162 votes

Mostly because of that nerf to her Q

Before, at release she was trash

She got added 150% damage towards minions, and got pushing power and ability to roam more often -> deemed op

Riot removes 150% damage on minions and she is trash again

Brain Errör 404Dec 23, 20161 votes

Yeah, I'd really like them to revert it and have it scale to the 150 again from a lower amount. It'd be a lot nicer than what she has now all things considering.

PenguinOverlord8Dec 23, 20162 votes

I don't know where it was but someone (or riot I don't remember) did some math and basically even if you lowered the additional damage to minions you get the same problem of her pushing way too much, maybe just 1 or 2 levels later which doesn't matter much .

Brain Errör 404Dec 23, 20161 votes

Maybe lower it to like 100% extra dmg or something then. I'm sure they can find a way around it. Have the minion damage scale with items or something. It was a good, but I do agree that it was a bit over the top. Maybe even shift some damage on all of her abilities to make her have to sacrifice a bit more to wave clear.

RinzyDec 29, 20161 votes

Did you look at the winrate for people that have played 125+ games on Taliyah?

SwarovskoDec 23, 20164 votes

They buffed her q when every Taliyah player/main asked "buff everything and leave her q as it is". Riot is just trolling at this point...

Hotaru is WaifuDec 23, 20163 votes

she has a 44% winrate its not under 40 http://champion.gg/champion/Taliyah complain about this azir has a 42%maybe 43% win rate and they wanna keep nerfing him be happy shes still playable

Banana NationsDec 23, 20162 votes

coming from someone who plays a lot of taliyah shes actually in a decent spot right now maybe could use a tiny touchup but nothing more

WoonStruckDec 23, 20161 votes

Watch out, every bronze/silver Taliyah player will tell you you're wrong and that she's trash while downvoting you to hell.

She's been in a decent spot for a long time; any decent buffs and she'll be in the limelight again and nerfed to an even worse state than before the buffs.

Pakku Ito Dec 23, 20162 votes

Sigh, Taliyah has a great kit and is an awesome champ, but those W changes and the nerfs just hit her hard. I'm glad she got a buff recently, but that still doesn't change the fact that I can't pick her in almost all cases :/

Brain Errör 404Dec 23, 20162 votes

I feel you man. I liked her, still do love her kit, but Riot didn't even give her 2 patches to shine. Meanwhile: Syndra Viktor Cassiopeia AurelionSol are all allowed to be competitively good without chugging too much from their kit.

aspects1Dec 23, 20162 votes

personally, i just find taliyah extremely annoying to lane against or play against in general, esp after a rylais and her q on a 1.5s cd

CrazedPorcupineDec 23, 20162 votes

That moment you realize that Taliyah's Winrate at 125+games is almost 80%...

KoKobotoDec 23, 20161 votes

I think she's okay her ult CD is really long though

Hèntaî Dec 23, 20161 votes

Taliyah bae a'f

YuGiHoDec 23, 20161 votes

maybe if they change her w back to the way it was people would play her, the people who wanted her new w cast played for to weeks and then droped her because the were vicktor mains anyway

lilpokflufDec 23, 20161 votes

I think they need to buff her waveclear, I think damage wise she's pretty strong. Maybe could use a couple buffs but tie it to the WE combo and not the Q to champions.

THE RlVER KlNGDec 23, 20161 votes

Yeah, for suppport.....at least put accurate data if you want to make a point. Taliyah is a trash support and will thus probably have a trash winrate. She has a 45% winrate mid, same as probably a dozen other champions that need work too. Her play rate is also over 1%?