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"Self Ban" system idea

The Kombinator··2 votes·1,326 views

Just got an idea from another thread.

EDIT: Before we start. The system would not affect the enemy team. This means, that player you blacklist could still be matchmade into the enemy team. So if you ban the good players, then you will NOT make your games easier. Banning the good player will not prevent that player playing in your game. It only puts that player into the enemy team.

We all hate certain type of players. E-bay accounts, toxic people, trolls, feeders, script users, and other "non-desirables".

My idea is to add a button to "ban" anyone. Now this wouldn't be a "real ban". It wouldn't stop them from playing the game. It would simply make the matchmaking not putting you into the SAME team as them.

They still could occur in ENEMY, because we don't want people use it on good players to avoid them.

Also the system wouldn't permanently "ban" them right away. It would be an increasing method, and you would be notified if someone "banned" you. First time would be a week, then 2 weeks, then 4, and then it would become permanent. Unless if you go into the right options, and manually remove the person. Playing with the player 2 times without "banning" would reset the timer.

No extra resources from Riot later, and after some point these non-desireables would only play with similar players in team. If it gets out from hand, then we suggest players to turn off the cross-team chat. So they can't see the enemy team's flaming.

EDIT: Those who downvote. Care to explain why? Or they just recognized themselves in the first lines, and don't wana play with similar players.

EDIT2: Can't edit pools, but would you agree for ranked only?

29 Comments

Timethief495 votes

Yeah that cant and wont ever happen. They used to have this system in overwatch and it completly broke the matchmaking. People blacklisted good players to have easyer games. The best i think widowmaker player couldnt find games anymore since everyone blacklisted him.

The Kombinator1 votes

Yes. Now reread the post.

"They still could occour in ENEMY team."

In ENEMY team.

You know the team you are playing AGAINST.

So if you ban good players, then it won't stop them playing AGAINST you.

And even if all players were stupid, and keep banning the good players, then all they do to them is putting them into the same team. Thx. for easier climbing i guess? It would be helpful to them until they reach super high ranks.

lilpokfluf31 votes

So only you would have this option? Cause otherwise how do you know the enemy team didn’t also blacklist that person and now they can’t find a team also?

The Kombinator1 votes

If they blacklisted, then they wouldn't be in the same team.

If every idiot blacklist the good players, then good players get into the same team, because they don't blacklist each other. Which helps them climbing. And soon they would simply outrank you. Making your ban worthless.

You assume way too much from the playerbase. You assume, that everyone put their hands together into conspiracy, and let's ruin the good players.

This is not true. Most people prefer good players in their team. Most people wouldn't "ban" someone, because they are good. Especially, because it would increase the chance of that player appearing in the enemy team.

Some player of course would ban a lot. These players would find themselves waiting in machmaking forever. They would be forced to clean list, or make new account at some point. Both would put them back to start. Just like a real ban. It would eventually force them to use their brain, or quit playing.

KalokasIsMyDaddy3 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Kombinator,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ck8YGwhL,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-08-30T10:30:05.255+0000)

Yes. Now reread the post.

"They still could occour in ENEMY team."

In ENEMY team.

You know the team you are playing AGAINST.

So if you ban good players, then it won't stop them playing AGAINST you.

And even if all players were stupid, and keep banning the good players, then all they do to them is putting them into the same team. Thx. for easier climbing i guess? It would be helpful to them until they reach super high ranks.

Yeah, he literally said everyone was blacklisting him. He couldn't find a game because every match had 1 guy on each team that would have him blacklisted.

Also, in high elo it would just be a shitfest. People could literally get in touch with a bunch of others to completely blacklist a certain player (let's say everyone teamed up on rank 1 NA) and he would never find a game or he'd find one with way lower ranked players. You see how your idea is flawed? It wouldn't be used legitimately, it'd just be used as a troll.

The Kombinator1 votes

I think it would worth a try. Most people loves playing with decent teammates. At least i prefer to have a good ADC on my lane. You too assume way too much from the playerbase. They don't communicate each other on this level. They won't tell everyone to ban the good guys.

In my experience most players don't mind being carried. Something that good players do. I get a bunch of honor when i carry a game. Not flamed for it. Okay sometimes enemy does, but i doubt, that they would actually prefer to play against me instead of with them.

Beside the system existed before. You couldn't get into the same people, that were on your ignore list. And did it ruined the game in s3, and s4?

KalokasIsMyDaddy1 votes

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I think it would worth a try. Most people loves playing with decent teammates. At least i prefer to have a good ADC on my lane. You too assume way too much from the playerbase. They don't communicate each other on this level. They won't tell everyone to ban the good guys.

In my experience most players don't mind being carried. Something that good players too. I get a bunch of honor when i carry a game. Not flamed for it. Okay sometimes enemy does, but i doubt, that they would actually prefer to play against me instead of with them.

Beside the system existed before. You couldn't get into the same people, that were on your ignore list. And did it ruined the game in s3, and s4?

This system would work on a perfect community with extremely minimal amounts of trolls and afk's.

Also, yes they would communicate, if somebody didn't play that well on one game they'd be more than willing to type in chat to ban them from their games.

How many people knew about it though? Very few I'd guess. Making a whole new feature about it with full coverage on the patch notes would make it popular and abused.

The Kombinator1 votes

The notification, that someone banned you would give a hint, that someone hated your guts. Undesirables would eventually change their ways at some point. When you get banned 100% of the time, and suddenly has a half hour timer, then perhaps it is time to change your ways, and maybe get a few weeks rest. Since the first 2 is not permanent.

Similar to the real report, and removal except, that it takes minimal resources, and has an instant effect from player view. No longer need to put 99999 report. No longer need to wait for Riot to do something. No more system abuse.

If you are toxic as hell, and get banned by 99% of the playerbase. Then you deserved it.

KalokasIsMyDaddy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Kombinator,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ck8YGwhL,comment-id=000200000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-30T11:03:44.406+0000)

The notification, that someone banned you would give a hint, that someone hated your guts. Undesirables would eventually change their ways at some point. When you get banned 100% of the time, and suddenly has a half hour timer, then perhaps it is time to change your ways, and maybe get a few weeks rest. Since the first 2 is not permanent.

Similar to the real report, and removal except, that it takes minimal resources, and has an instant effect from player view. No longer need to put 99999 report. No longer need to wait for Riot to do something. No more system abuse.

If you are toxic as hell, and get banned by 99% of the playerbase. Then you deserved it.

That doesn't anyone from teaming up on 1 player to completely stop him from playing in high elo games. Take my previous example again. How can you stop all of the challengers in NA to not blacklist the rank 1 player completely?

The Kombinator1 votes

You don't.

  1. I doubt, that they would do that. Since the rank1 player might win games for them.

  2. That is a very very very tiny part of the playerbase. I would prefer to appeal the majority instead.

Unless of course that rank1 player is more than just good. Like being a hacker, or toxic as hell. And in that case. He gets what he deserve.

The Kombinator1 votes

Just looked into the Overwatch case. Well as i told. Unlike theirs. My system wouldn't prevent the banned players from being in the enemy team. If you ban a good player. They would still come into your game. Just not as your teammate.

DBS Ronovon3 votes

No, because then you would be on MY team and I would lose all my games! HA!

The Kombinator1 votes

The point is, that i couldn't. Not like i could right now since you are NA, and i'm EUNE. But even if we were on same server, and i were that bad, then you would just "ban" me. And bye for 2 weeks.

DBS Ronovon1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Kombinator,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ck8YGwhL,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-30T10:23:41.635+0000)

The point is, that i couldn't. Not like i could right now since you are NA, and i'm EUNE. But even if we were on same server, and i were that bad, then you would just "ban" me. And bye for 2 weeks.

Not true.

I don't ban people. So I would just be stuck with your feeding butt, and all my plans to win would be over, and we would get ganked in bot lane so hard, and Draven would shit on us. Godyr (God Tier Udyr) would be the one ganking us in lovers bot lane.

We would attempt Rift Herald and it would kill us both, by itself too, and the raptors would show up and laugh in our faces.

The Kombinator1 votes

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DBS Ronovon1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Kombinator,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ck8YGwhL,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-30T10:32:41.955+0000)

That is your stupidity. Not the idea's mistake.

Buddy, no need to be mean to me. I can't help the way I am.

The Kombinator1 votes

Well it's like.

The report system is SHIT! It never bans anyone!

Have you reported anyone?

No.

DBS Ronovon1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Kombinator,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ck8YGwhL,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-30T11:14:36.374+0000)

Well it's like.

The report system is SHIT! It never bans anyone!

Have you reported anyone?

No.

I used to report people.

I stopped because I came to the realization that I would never want to be Perma'd so why wish that on others who may have spent so much money. Kids get mad, so what. People have a bad day, so what. In the end, its not worth taking away their time and money put into the game, and who knows what kind of shitty life they already have to be as toxic or F'd up as they are. We never really know what a person's secret sorrows are.

One kid was talking about killing himself on the forums after a Perma. Said he lost 500 Euro. Thats a lot for a kid.

So, no I stopped reporting people. Plus I can't get better at league from reporting people. Trolls will always be there anyway.

JuiceBoxP1 votes

How do you even get ganked by udyr? You'd have to be on their 2nd tier turret to be ganked by udyr

Tahminatrix 1 votes

Wouldn't that just mean high elo would become an elitist circlejerk where they ban any faces / usernames they don't like (or know) from playing with them so then matchmaking wont give the victim any good enough opponents / has to give them worse teammates to compensate?

Or worse, it just locks them out of playing with good enough opponents and they'll spend forever in queue.

The Kombinator1 votes

You could remove players from the list, or clean it entirely. If you read the whole, then you would notice this possibility.

Also pressing that button is YOUR decision, and YOUR responsibility.

Last but not least you could still play against those you "ban". If they ban good teammates, then those teammates appear in enemy. And if they only ban bad ones, then those will be banned too by many. Yes at some point the top number one elit players would only play in the same team.

That would be 0,01% of the league. I say let's appeal the rest instead.

W is for Wombo3 votes

I keep seeing you go back to the same reasoning, but even if it were to force people you've personally banned to only appear on the enemy team, eventually enough people could ban the same person so that a problem would occur. Let's say everyone in NA banned the same person, as an extreme example. What enemy team would exist for that person to be on? None, as everyone has banned them.

DBS Ronovon1 votes

[{quoted}](name=W is for Wombo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ck8YGwhL,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-30T10:54:04.194+0000)

I keep seeing you go back to the same reasoning, but even if it were to force people you've personally banned to only appear on the enemy team, eventually enough people could ban the same person so that a problem would occur. Let's say everyone in NA banned the same person, as an extreme example. What enemy team would exist for that person to be on? None, as everyone has banned them.

Come on, it was a GOOD idea!!

The Kombinator1 votes

If someone is banned by everyone, then maybe that player is seriously non-desirable? Then maybe that player should change their way? Then maybe that player DESERVE A BAN?

Such extreme case would only happen to extreme players. Either extremely toxic, or troll/int. feeder. And yes. Those kind of players deserve to be removed from the game.

"You would be notified if someone banned you." This would be a hint, that someone hated your guts for some reason. A hint to change you ways. You get another chance with the same player eventually unless they banned you for the 3. time. That means over 6 weeks since the first time.

Tahminatrix 1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Kombinator,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ck8YGwhL,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-30T10:26:00.097+0000)

You could remove players from the list, or clean it entirely. If you read the whole, then you would notice this possibility.

If you read what I said, you would notice that this is completely irrelevant. 1 person getting banned by literally everyone else in high elo, lets say the top #1 player for example, they would be screwed and bullied out of their position.

Also pressing that button is YOUR decision, and YOUR responsibility.

Again, the victim isn't the one pressing it so I don't understand what you are talking about / thinking of.

Last but not least you could still play against those you "ban". If they ban good teammates, then those teammates appear in enemy. And if they only ban bad ones, then those will be banned too by many. Yes at some point the top number one elit players would only play in the same team.

That would be 0,01% of the league. I say let's appeal the rest instead.

1, The chances of getting the same player in your game several times in separate instances are slim unless you are in the extreme high / low elo.

2, The problem of the top 10 players getting banned from playing with anyone and even banning eachother would turn high elo into a fountain where players are shot up to the top and then left with no way to climb and forced back down into the water.

Posui Gart1 votes

It will be just like "report" system. Everyone will ban everyone else after a bad game. In high elo this could result in much longer queues and worse matchmaking.

DeathBurst1 votes

EDIT: Those who downvote. Care to explain why? Or they just recognized themselves in the first lines, and don't wana play with similar players.

Probably too complicated to implement, probably not effective even if it somehow managed to get implemented. The odds of getting matched with the same persons twice is very low, unless you play at like 3 A.M. and/or in very high MMR.

usul12021 votes

Time to add every support main I can find to my list, that way I'm guaranteed my role! >_>

The Kombinator1 votes

Support mains are already guaranteed. At least i get like 99,9% of the time.

Other mains would work better.

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