That DAMAGE is NOT ok. Yeah he has to be close to apply it but his new kit plus the over powered adc items, He is BROKEN. The only way to out play him is "range" but almost every fucking support has a stunn so that's not gonna be a problem.
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it's going to be a Nightmare
MLDzXnRRR1 votesWithout dmg, he will be worse than Urgot.
CppL1 votesWithout dmg, he will be worse than Urgot.
I agree ,but did you saw his Q base dmg and scaling??? that shit is broken beyond believe.Hes gonna be like gragas pre rework.Q+R=R.I.P
The One Eye King1 votesI agree ,but did you saw his Q base dmg and scaling??? that shit is broken beyond believe.Hes gonna be like gragas pre rework.Q+R=R.I.P
Graves mains gonna be just like fizz mains............. Graves main:"out play" press Q
Ralanr1 votesHere's a tip: Don't stand in front of walls when fighting Graves.
Second tip: Don't walk near him after he uses his Q, you'll be hit more.
The One Eye King1 votesWithout dmg, he will be worse than Urgot.
Have you seen Graves Damage? he can pretty much 1 shot you lmao
Mathbalnase4 votesIf Graves is '1-shotting' you, any other ADC would be '2-shotting' you from about 5 times the distance. And then going on to do the same to their next target, while Graves reloads.
thumbnail91 votesGraves always had to be close to get his maximum damage anyways? All they did was make it easier to be close range.
Malcha1 votesHis laning phase is going to be crap if you can zone him. Think about it this way, in order to actually land an auto on you, he has to step out from behind minions, if you're running the kind of supports that heavily punish that, it's not a problem.
Most ADCs have a range advantage AND an escape. You can always disengage graves, and often times you can poke him without ramifications. Sure if he all ins you with leona AND you're not inside your minions, making it hell to land an auto it a likely win for him, but those are ideal circumstances. You beat him the same you be beat any other champion in lane, avoid those ideal circumstances. It means actually playing different based on him and who his support is. Just cause you can't tread him like every other ADC doesn't mean he's the most broken thing ever.
Also, he can't help but push lane while he's farming, which sucks for him anyways until he has the AD to blow waves(and the fat ass mana pool to support it). So, farm under your tower and ward for dives.
A lot of the meaty initiators heavily punish graves for the position he needs to be in to succeed. Most ADCs can hang back in optimal range and play it safe from there. He can't auto attack past a meatwall, and if your meatwall happens to have CC/Shields or some kind of sustain you'll be fine. 
The One Eye King1 votesHis laning phase is going to be crap if you can zone him. Think about it this way, in order to actually land an auto on you, he has to step out from behind minions, if you're running the kind of supports that heavily punish that, it's not a problem.
Most ADCs have a range advantage AND an escape. You can always disengage graves, and often times you can poke him without ramifications. Sure if he all ins you with leona AND you're not inside your minions, making it hell to land an auto it a likely win for him, but those are ideal circumstances. You beat him the same you be beat any other champion in lane, avoid those ideal circumstances. It means actually playing different based on him and who his support is. Just cause you can't tread him like every other ADC doesn't mean he's the most broken thing ever.
Also, he can't help but push lane while he's farming, which sucks for him anyways until he has the AD to blow waves(and the fat ass mana pool to support it). So, farm under your tower and ward for dives.
A lot of the meaty initiators heavily punish graves for the position he needs to be in to succeed. Most ADCs can hang back in optimal range and play it safe from there. He can't auto attack past a meatwall, and if your meatwall happens to have CC/Shields or some kind of sustain you'll be fine.
Point less this fucker is op af. he 2v1 a game and ate my botlane. Every game someone places him or bans him. And the team with him on always win.
Ralanr1 votesI played a match as Graves, with a Leona support.
We lost because 
got fed in top.
Axests1 votestoo bad all of graves' damage is now skillshot and close range dependent.