garens gameplay.

Serrgol·Mar 30, 2019·1 votes·1,409 views

hi guys. i just played fiora into garen and he was level 13 when i was 16 and he had phage and thornmail. his ult dealth 900 on me :) with a phage??? is that balanced. or is that riot at its most braindead

27 Comments

Pandemic PunchMar 30, 20194 votes

His ult isnt item dependent. It is mostly based on your missing health. Play smarter and dont fight garen with low health

SerrgolMar 30, 20191 votes

so its not unbalanced that his ult has so much dmg ? no matter what it does its still r%%%%%ed af in my opinion?

xDogMeatxMar 30, 20191 votes

its not damage though its flat health (thats magic unless villain) then theres the missing % amount i think its about 25% left of your hp is enough to kill you in terms of his ult damage. the only thing bs about it is this: when silenced/e'ed your already taking inescapable heavy damage the only 2 ways to mitigate the damage is (dependant on champ ability) parry the q damage then have him spin while next to a minion while punching his vitals down or if you fail that you can parry his ult and escape with said 25% since he cant burst you anymore due to being resorted to autos at this point you could retaliate with your ult to heal up or accept that you can go to fountain to 'reset' your hp while losing some cs. in other words here when you SEE HIM PUT DOWN HIS SWORD thats his ult to parry. (assuming you have low enough ping/reaction time)

SerrgolMar 31, 20191 votes

what really annoys me is that people are gonna try to explain how to counter him even tho u dont know the scenario. the scenario was that i went in 1v3 and random garen came AFTER MY W and dealth 900

xDogMeatxMar 31, 20191 votes

he basically turned your hp against you thats the missing part its a kill number after less than 25%. only way to reduce it after is building magic resist he cant turn it against you and you will increase your survival threshold say about to 15% or something that will execute.

SerrgolMar 31, 20191 votes

im not asking what he does. i am asking why is it balanced in riots eyes.

xDogMeatxMar 31, 20191 votes

because your required to having X amount of hp to die? it fits perfectly as a execute finisher. it still feels like your screwed over since your on the receiving end but dang its satisfying blowing them up with a POWERFUL visual effect. now how is it balanced well it can still be screwed over by 'hidden' healing spells its better to use sustain then shields due to the missing health part makes it weaker the more life you have.

SerrgolMar 31, 20191 votes

my point here is not what he does it or what i need to do. i am asking, do u really feel that the 900 dmg out of basically nowhere from such a unskilled champ and underfed bad player is fair

MagicFlyingLlamaMar 31, 20191 votes

And their point is it is fair because you can avoid it by not being bad.

xDogMeatxMar 31, 20192 votes

oh in that case... looked up his scaling. im not saying its fair or anything. since he has level 2 ult it deals 350 plus 33.3% missing health. now thats outta way. your saying that how is it fair that a EASY game juggernaut does a unfair amount of damage? heres the reason garens gameplay is really too straightforward he runs in 1000 miles an hour while other champs can out dash him/exhaust his Q attack then go back in and hammer on him. however if garen touches them he punishes them with said the full power budget of his kit. thats his flaw in his design he only has 2 maybe 3 ways to play attack directly or by bush or by flash Q, while (example camille or fiora) can have lower stats but have 1000 dashes/a block feature in them which results in a higher skillcap therefore their power budget is in their moving power.

wolviusMar 31, 20191 votes

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oh in that case... looked up his scaling. im not saying its fair or anything. since hes level 2 ult it deals 350 plus 33.3% missing health. now thats outta way. your saying that how is it fair that a EASY game juggernaut does a unfair amount of damage? heres the reason garens gameplay is really too straightforward he runs in 1000 miles an hour while other champs can out dash him/exhaust his Q attack then go back in and hammer on him. however if garen touches them he punishes them with said the full power budget of his kit. thats his flaw in his design he only has 2 maybe 3 ways to play attack directly or by bush or by flash Q, while (example camille or fiora) can have lower stats but have 1000 dashes/a block feature in them which results in a higher skillcap therefore their power budget is in their moving power.

And don't forget stuff like fiora can also Q W through stuff like veigir cage, even stun them if shes accurate with aim.

That possible 33% missing health at rank 3 may look high but considering the 900 damage described she would have needed 1650 missing health, which fiora base health of 1780+ maybe 250 from trinity (as I don't remember items she builds other than builds lifestyle hydra thing and trin), she was nearly dead anyway most of that ult was overkill. Its only really excessive against high health champs but that's it stick.

And your description of garen is pretty accurate, unlike champs like fiora/riven he can't dash every 5 seconds if he hits a minion or spammable Qs and needs that sorta execute style ult to finish low people when he get close before they dash away and he gets kited to death by them. Now the ult passive true damage onhit is the only reasonable part you could complain about on this champ, and I honestly think it needs to go it's unfair.

Honestly she would be equally fucked in this scenario if it was a pyke or urgot (who can execute tanky champs at like 1000hp) or any execute really and some ones like riven actually scale with the damage they build and ain't even single target.

Sona PingMar 31, 20191 votes

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im not asking what he does. i am asking why is it balanced in riots eyes.

It is balanced because read what the ability does already.

SerrgolMar 31, 20191 votes

so because it says what it does it means it balanced XDD definetly

Sona PingMar 31, 20191 votes

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so because it says what it does it means it balanced XDD definetly

No, but if you read it instead of deciding to spend two hours refusing to go to Step #1 and arguing with people, if you did read that you would see what is happening and realize there's no problem here.

xDogMeatxMar 31, 20191 votes

If you think garen is very op just play him a bunch of times till you drop you will find his faults by then.

True GarenApr 1, 20193 votes

The answer is, yes, it's balanced. A big chunk of Garen's power budget is tied to that mechanic and it's only really valuable against the most fed member of the enemy team. It keeps Garen relevant in late game, but, as you mentioned, Garen was having a horrible match otherwise, and he was actually three levels below you, during what should have been his prime game (lvls 11-16). If you are the villain, if you have that sword hanging over your head, then you don't want to be caught out alone.

True GarenApr 1, 20193 votes

"villian mechanic is legit its not perfect but it serves a purpose

villian can see that they are villian so they should respect that and not go near garen alone thats what i would recommend"

True GarenApr 1, 20193 votes

Garen is a teaching champion, not just for the one playing him but for everybody in his game. He was punishing you for doing something that wasn't good play in the first place.

NekorusMar 31, 20192 votes

how the hell you lose to a GAREN lvl 13 as a FIORA lvl 16 when you counter him

NetorareMar 31, 20192 votes

Imagine playing a disgusting champ like fiora and crying about garen.

IAmTheLegoMar 31, 20191 votes

I don't know how Fiora vs Garen goes if it's a 50/50 or one hard counters the other. But the counterplay i know of is anti-heal items, building hp, and armor.

This should make Garen less of a threat...but i can't Garen-tee you.

Sorry....i love lame puns...

SerrgolMar 31, 20191 votes

im just asking if u think its balanced or not basically

IAmTheLegoMar 31, 20191 votes

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im just asking if u think its balanced or not basically

That's beyond me...

I have to play Garen and Fiora so i can have an opinion on this. I don't even know how they both work much.

All i ever knew is how to stomp them.

MagicFlyingLlamaMar 31, 20191 votes

His ult does not even scale with AD iirc, it is an execute.

VoraciousXMar 31, 20191 votes

I don't think Garen's OP, but the fact that if he has ult and Qs you once, you're pretty much dead is annoying as all hell.

MetalGearTeemoApr 6, 20191 votes

that feeling when garen has to execute you at 1 hp to get that kind of damage when you could just do 70% of his health in true damage instead*[slayer-jinx-catface]*