Ghostcrawler ignoring the player feedback

Taliyahc··5 votes·1,491 views

As the previous thread on Ghostcrawler was locked due to no constructive criticism, and with the permission of the moderator who locked that thread I'm opening a new thread to discuss Ghostcrawler and his vision of the game.

Ghostcrawler joined Riot Games after leaving WoW balance, initially there was some concern as to his hiring coming from a widely displeased WoW community.

Source : http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4190291

So what has Mr. Greg Street AKA "Ghostcrawler" done to the game to give him such a negative view?

In my view he has little to no concern with player feedback in League of Legends anymore. Ever since he joined Riot games in 2014 the forums and player base have gone largely ignored in their requests at balancing the game. It has become a worst situation over time, but is truly hitting its peak now with Season 8.

If you asked people what the problem was in season 6, a lot of people would say the new trend of burst damage was getting concerning. Season 6 was really a large start of the "let's buff damage" trend.

So now current day the number one problem echoed by almost every LoL player is the damage being rediculously high, games being decided in the first 10 minutes, turrets being paper towels that just soak up damage, ADC's builds being the cheapest in the game despite being late game, and the rediculous snowballing going on.

What has been done to address these player concerns that have been voiced over and over again for the past year? Nothing.

ADC Builds are still the same cheap price.

Towers were given a negligible buff, then literally given a new keystone that helped destroy them faster.

Damage has gone up even more thanks to the new keystones.

Gametime in season 5 used to average 30 minutes if not longer

Source: http://www.leaguemath.com/match-duration-analysis/

Can anyone nowadays actually say they regularly get 30 minute matches where you can comeback a deficit?

In conclusion, it feels like the League of Legends forums and player base have voiced their concerns for a long time now and are being ignored in favor of the "uber cool damage" "super fast stomp" routes that many players don't want to see. I haven't played this game now for a month because I feel so isolated and ignored just like a majority of other players do in this current environment of League of Legends.

@Ghostcrawler @Riot , are you listening to us? What do you plan to do with damage, towers, snowballing, and ADCs. Or will you go back to ignoring us like always?

13 Comments

Hexs Fortune5 votes

If you actually had a clue about what you were attempting to complain about, you'd know Ghostcrawler has gone through many outlets to actively engage with the community, from the boards, to monthly video sessions, to twitter.

Lately he's been keeping to a very active Tumblr. The man is entitled to his own free will to engage (or not) as he chooses.

https://askghostcrawler.tumblr.com/

Devilreaper XIII3 votes

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If you actually had a clue about what you were attempting to complain about, you'd know Ghostcrawler has gone through many outlets to actively engage with the community, from the boards, to monthly video sessions, to twitter.

Lately he's been keeping to a very active Tumblr. The man is entitled to his own free will to engage (or not) as he chooses.

https://askghostcrawler.tumblr.com/

the nr 1 community to LoL is on these boards not on tumblr -.- GC stopped communicating 2 months ago on the boards, from what i can tell.

Chermorg2 votes

Maybe because he didn't want to deal with 10 replies calling for his firing for complaints he has no control over and aren't related to him?

Taliyahc3 votes

He is the head of the game's balancing, if he is going to make controversial changes and not want any negative feedback then he shouldn't be head in the first place.

Do I want Ghostcrawler fired? No I don't, I think he has great potential and some changes he has made are understandable, but he needs to be active on the forums and respond to the community's complaints and concerns.

We really haven't gotten feedback on our concerns and it makes us feel isolated, I probably wouldn't be so mad about the current state of the game if we could have explanation about why design team wants to head in a certain direction.

Are there going to be a few buttheads who flame for no reason? Yes, just ignore them and keep the discussion open and keep your gameplay balancing transparent.

Chermorg1 votes

You said it yourself - he's the "head" (while this is slightly untrue based on structure, it's close enough). He does not make controversial changes - the entire team does. And he's the "head" but he doesn't take sole responsibility nor does he necessarily approve all changes that are happened.

I understand that you and we all feel like we don't get enough Rito feedback. We're currently working on ideas for improving that engagement by making the board have less rants/etc and more serious discussion.

Jmman1 votes

you seem to reply to every GC thread..... weird........

Devilreaper XIII1 votes

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Maybe because he didn't want to deal with 10 replies calling for his firing for complaints he has no control over and aren't related to him?

its his job to deal with it.... he took on a sensetive LEADING role, he needs to grow a backbone -.- its definitly HIS responsibility, in the end HE is leading a team....

is the leader not responsible for every action taken? including actions taken by his teammembers? whether he approves or disapproves whatever his teammates did doesn't matter, keeping your team in check and remaining sensible and logical, and having the guts to tell whether its good or not, positive or negative IS Greg his JOB..... instead of cutting off cummications he shouldve explained properly or taken another look at it, and perhaps made a change. he's the face for the ENTIRE team.....

and dont forget he was already chewed out for ''allegedly' (i never played wow so i'm not going there) messing up WoW pvp, he knew what happened there could happen here, how was he not mentally prepared for it? he fell in repeat.... took a leading role again..... and decided to ignore the players...... it was his choice and he made it TWICE..... and TWICE it blew up in his face.... frankly i NEVER saw players explode so much as with Greg.....

the players are feeling disdain and vent their frustration..... i mean why would they behave like that if nothing was wrong?

Tèrminus3 votes

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the nr 1 community to LoL is on these boards not on tumblr -.- GC stopped communicating 2 months ago on the boards, from what i can tell.

The number 1 community for League is on Reddit.

The Boards userbase is VERY small in the grand scheme of things.

Devilreaper XIII1 votes

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The number 1 community for League is on Reddit.

The Boards userbase is VERY small in the grand scheme of things.

no the nr 1 community for league are the game boards themselves.... i mean ITS THE ACTUAL OFFICIAL GAME RELATED RIOT GAMES RELATED SITE..... i still don't understand why there are several boards it just needs to be 1.... ofcourse you're going to have few people, if they have several boards -.- its a mess. but add them all together and suddenly there are many more, i'm one out of few that come here from euw and i post on euw boards as well i don't know anything about other boards to be honest.

reddit being 1 board with seperate topics is a different story..... riot needs to remove all the boards and keep 1 international, these seperate boards based on continents is just plain ridiculous -.-

SciFi Scrivener4 votes

I have nearly the exact opposite opinion of Riot games. Having played several different games League is by far the most balanced game I've seen. Many changes that I have seen requested here on the boards are now in the game.

Personally, my biggest complaint with league had been the old rune system, so their change to runes reforged as confirmation that they listen. Riot didn't need to spend the time and money it took to develop the new system, but they did. Why? Because players asked for it.

No game is ever going to satisfy everyone who plays it. If you are unhappy with the direction the game is going, find one that you enjoy. League does the best job as provided a level playing field for players of different skill levels, and it does it better than any other game I have played.

Thank you Riot, and thank you Ghostcrawler. You have a tough job and get little thanks for the work you do. Consider this my contribution to encourage you keep up the good work.

DEDManWonderLand3 votes

I agree with this 100% i remember beginning season 6 i would have nearly 60 minute long matches. Nowadays im lucky if my team doesnt give up within the first 15 minutes. Its really hard to comeback with how much damage the adc does. If my bot lane screws up and feed enemy adc the game is pretty much decided then and there. Tanks feel useless, you stack up on armor but lets forget that because we have percent health items and passives which shreds you no matter how much you have. This is honestly my favorite game, i love league of legends. But lately i find the game unplayable, i refuse to play. They arent fixing the game anymore they are making it worse. They buff already broken champions and nerf champions that suffer from low plays. Turrets are gone within seconds if you even roam (especially now with the new runes) which by the way are all ADC and assassin focused. The tank runes are shit, klepto is broken. The players complain and complain but are ignored constantly. What are the people at riot doing? The players are your customers, i myself have spent more than $200 on this game. Yet you dont listen to the people who are literally paying you guys.

AfterTheFall1 votes

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I agree with this 100% i remember beginning season 6 i would have nearly 60 minute long matches. Nowadays im lucky if my team doesnt give up within the first 15 minutes. Its really hard to comeback with how much damage the adc does. If my bot lane screws up and feed enemy adc the game is pretty much decided then and there. Tanks feel useless, you stack up on armor but lets forget that because we have percent health items and passives which shreds you no matter how much you have. This is honestly my favorite game, i love league of legends. But lately i find the game unplayable, i refuse to play. They arent fixing the game anymore they are making it worse. They buff already broken champions and nerf champions that suffer from low plays. Turrets are gone within seconds if you even roam (especially now with the new runes) which by the way are all ADC and assassin focused. The tank runes are shit, klepto is broken. The players complain and complain but are ignored constantly. What are the people at riot doing? The players are your customers, i myself have spent more than $200 on this game. Yet you dont listen to the people who are literally paying you guys.

200$ measly dollars? lol ive spent over 4,000$ combined on 2 accounts

Around999People1 votes

Almost every players complaint? Proof?

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