Then you completely freaking missed the mark.
She just hookshots in on immobile adcs trying to farm under tower and ults them. Sure she can lock down some mobile champs too but jesus christ any adc trying to stay alive for more then 2 seconds when playing against camille better be sivir because she's the only one who can even block that stupid point and click ult.
SaltyKracka19 votesAnd then she duels juggernauts because lol supergapcloser with stun and AS steroid and Q true damage and W slow because fuck you too.
Taliyahc17 votesThey went on 2016 champion reflects and listed her as the champ to deal with super mobile champs when she literally has something in her kit for every different situation.
Catch immobile squishies, lock down mobile champs, tankiness with a shield, 1v1 juggernauts with true damage. So freaking rediculous.
LankPants8 votesThey went on 2016 champion reflects and listed her as the champ to deal with super mobile champs when she literally has something in her kit for every different situation.
If they want champs to deal with hyper mobile champs they should be looking at more mechanics like Poppy W. Punish only people who want to dash through it. If Cam's ult allowed you to leave but grounded anyone standing on it that would be a counter to mobility, as it stands it's a counter to movement. It doesn't matter if I'm Ashe or Lucian, it just fucks me over.
Fondling Gems3 votesPoppy W and the grounded effect. Actually I would like to see a situation support who uses the grounded effect, could be a neat counterpick into hyper mobile comps.
IceKingChernobog2 votesThey went on 2016 champion reflects and listed her as the champ to deal with super mobile champs when she literally has something in her kit for every different situation.
Catch immobile squishies, lock down mobile champs, tankiness with a shield, 1v1 juggernauts with true damage. So freaking rediculous.
You think they would learn after making champs such as 
, yet they don't
kile1471 votesTbh true damage hurts tanks more than juggernauts, because tanks tend to build more resistances while juggernauts build health. I'd say her mobility and shield help more against juggernauts because they allow her to engage/disengage at will while winning the trade and juggernauts tend to be too immobile to do anything about it.
Möral Support7 votesI feel like camille ult should be a target ability (like kindred passive) where you mark the target you want to keep in the zone. Then camille ults in place and if the target isn't in the octagon the ult goes on cd. This atleast allows the champions to flash out of the ult.
Clarity: Camille would press R and cast her ultimate in place. (Like maokai's ult) The champion that she marked prior to going into combat would then be stuck in the ultimate. If no champion is marked camille can not cast her ultimate and once she marks a champion she could change targets after not being in combat for 5 seconds.
52B3UJZXZo6 votesRiot if your goal was to create....... (lets sum everything camiles has)
did i forget something.... ?
John Senna14 votesRiot if your goal was to create....... (lets sum everything camiles has)
- true damage
- 2x autoattack-resets
- a shield
- a heal (sustain)
- a stun
- aoe clear
- 1400 range engage
- an escape
- high base dmg
- and ulti without any counterplay
did i forget something.... ?
Samurai Sword and passive armor penetration.
IA9hRfpP5q3 votes[{quoted}](name=The Ginger Elvis,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0ExUT8ZE,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2017-02-16T11:44:20.178+0000)
Samurai Sword and passive armor penetration.
"Camille's weakness is that she's melee" Riot in 2017.
Pathfinder Yasuo4 votes
counters her ult
here we go
Lauchmelder2 votesI'm not even playing Lucian, but I'm gonna go for that build and give it a test in the new practice mode. If it works I have a new midlaner xD
EDIT:// he got waveclear but absolutely crap damage. Worth the try though
LankPants1 votesswap out Zhonya's for Lichbane to get a little more burst.
Lauchmelder2 votesSwapped Ludens for Lichbane, he's a towerpusher that way. But it's still not as good as AD Lucian I think.
LankPants1 votesIt's completely just shit AD Lucian. It can be fun to screw around with though.
Only Play Darius3 votesIt's hard to make a specific counter to mobility because mobility is more often than not general power. Cassiopeia also shits on immobile melees champs harder than mobile ones.
Ben Sharpio2 voteswhere have u been young man
Mordepool2 votesImmobile durable champions like Juggernauts should be the Primary counter to hyper Mobile champions. The class needs more tools before they can do it effectively
Asayake 5150glow1 votesImmobile durable champions like Juggernauts should be the Primary counter to hyper Mobile champions. The class needs more tools before they can do it effectively
It's... the... other... way around? Mostly?
Mobile skirmishers are the only melees who can kite Juggernauts. Juggernauts fuck tanks and non-mobile bruisers.
Orangesilk2 votesYou know there's something going on when Camille counters 
. Champions who should, very specifically, beat her out.
IA9hRfpP5q2 votesCamille Support is my free elo right now. Just build straight tank, and just throw your hookshoot to a wall to make people waste their flashes XD
And her ult is a guaranteed kill LUL Especially since it turns her untargetable for a few seconds.
I was dived at 50% hp by Jhin and Malphite (support) and Malphite died and Jhin couldn't kill me because I ulted malphite which turned me untargetable for a few seconds and pushed away Jhin and Malphite died from turret shoots and they I hooked shot 9393982 miles away from Jhin
She's very balanced.
"Extremes are easy, it is the balance that is difficult" 
GJ Riot. No weaknesses in the design.. oh wait, her weakness is that she is melee. LUL
serenity72 votesTo win a fight against Camille I have to stand so far away that she can't even see me.
GGLineaR2 votesShe also pushes Heimerdinger's turrets away with her ult, which is bullshit, btw.
PlanetWarwick2 votesThey missed their mark-sman
Dominick Destine1 votesThis is one of the rare occasions when statistics were wrong.
Camille's win rate on release was so absurdly low that it seemed she needed buffs.... time passed and we now realize that she is very strong for the role she is supposed to fill.
Taliyahc8 votesCough Taliyah cough Cough Azir cough Cough Kalista cough
Everytime a champ comes out with low win rates riot instant buffs them but the problem isnt their numbers its people getting used to the champion at first, if riot would stop jamming new champs full of power right after their release like they do in about 1/3 of new champ releases they do nowadays we would probably see their win rates slowly rise to normal numbers instead of some insane spike of double digit win rate points
Fondling Gems2 votesMaybe they buff them because half the boards scream for buffs?
LankPants2 votesWhat people read from statistics is wrong in a lot of cases, for example statistics suggest that Sona is a top tier support. She's really not, she's far weaker than the meta supports right now. What she actually is is an easy support who people who don't play support often and just get autofilled to the role (which is a large portion of support players) tend to do far better on than someone like Zyra.
You should avoid just taking statistics at face value, they can be useful but you need to stop and take a second to look into what they actually mean.
Dominick Destine3 votesWhat people read from statistics is wrong in a lot of cases, for example statistics suggest that Sona is a top tier support. She's really not, she's far weaker than the meta supports right now.
That's true.
Sona is complete garbo.... and I say this as someone that has played a lot of Sona but also plays other supports.
SaltyKracka2 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0ExUT8ZE,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2017-02-16T05:19:03.841+0000)
That's true.
Sona is complete garbo.... and I say this as a longtime member of the Sona circlejerk
ftfy
Dominick Destine4 votesftfy
There was never a "Sona circlejerk", but there was probably a lot of the latter part of that quote relating to Sona...
SaltyKracka2 votesWould you like me to show you the topics where pikawhatshisface would blather on endlessly about how Sona was the worst support in existence? I do have a memory, you know.
Dominick Destine3 votesWould you like me to show you the topics where pikawhatshisface would blather on endlessly about how Sona was the worst support in existence?
Ok so one guy correctly thought that Sona needs buffs and overstated the case... it's called hyperbole.
What exactly was your argument here? that I'm right? I'd have to agree with that, sir.... you need a lot more experience to debate someone with talent. You got destroyed.
LankPants3 votesWhat is it with everyone who thinks Sona's not a terrible champ being low gold or lower? It's almost like she's a garbage champ who crushes plebs.
kile1472 votesBut Sona has a 60% win rate on people with over 50 games with her, compared to Zyra's peak of 55% at 15-50 games. Based on player experience distribution Sona actually has more dedicated mains than Zyra does.
xelaker1 votesThen you completely freaking missed the mark.
She just hookshots in on immobile adcs trying to farm under tower and ults them. Sure she can lock down some mobile champs too but jesus christ any adc trying to stay alive for more then 2 seconds when playing against camille better be sivir because she's the only one who can even block that stupid point and click ult.
....but she does exactly what you say she doesn't...she is an excellent way to lock down uber mobile champs...
Taliyahc6 votesYeah she does that, but she can 1v1 juggernauts, 1 shot squishy immobiles, provide tons of slows with sustain.
Riot said they wanted her to beat super mobile champions, not every champion in the game.
PermabannedGaren1 votesYeah she does that, but she can 1v1 juggernauts, 1 shot squishy immobiles, provide tons of slows with sustain.
Riot said they wanted her to beat super mobile champions, not every champion in the game.
Juggernauts aren't actually particularly amazing duelists for the most part, perhaps somewhat ironically. They're all right at it as a class, but far inferior at it compared to almost every skirmisher and some divers (Camille is frankly an inferior duelist to Xin Zhao for example, in all likelihood). They're actually only about on par with divers in terms of dueling. Even Darius, one of the better duelists in his class, will get fucking shrekt by any skirmisher but Ekko in a duel, or to a Xin Zhao.
There's a lot of variance in the class. I can't imagine Camille would fare well against Trundle in a duel at all, for example, Trundle being one of the best juggernaut duelists. Once Nasus gets going he'd stomp her as well. Yorick likely also beats her.
TeCoolMage1 votesactually, sivir, fizz, nocturne, fiora and maybe morgana can block it
Rozair1 votesStop hating on the one champion that can beat LeBlanc
Taliyahc1 votesI'm a leblanc main. She can lose to a good Zed, Corki, Syndra, Ryze, Yasuo, or Diana. And if you play bad you'll lose to everyone.
But who is camilles counter again? Oh yeah no one
Critmaster Garen1 votesits always a problem with anti-mobility mechanics in this game, that they turn out to be way way more effective against immobile champions than mobile ones.
thats why permaslows like when 
was built on every single mage, usually force the game into a meta of hypermobile champions. because champions without much mobility in the first place have no tools to compensate for being glued to the fucking ground, and just become entirely worhless.
while the mobile champions are still able to gapclose long distances.
the only anti-mobility mechanic that is successful so far imo is the grounded debuff.
Tychusfindlay9191 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0ExUT8ZE,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2017-02-16T11:24:33.042+0000)
its always a problem with anti-mobility mechanics in this game, that they turn out to be way way more effective against immobile champions than mobile ones.
thats why permaslows like when
the only anti-mobility mechanic that is successful so far imo is the grounded debuff.
I love grounded. That has to be the best anti mobility effect in the game in terms of punishing mobility and not immobility
Squey1 voteswait u played a game where she wasnt banned? must of been normals. Everyone in every competitive country knows she is just plain stupid. Thus the legendary 99.9% ban rate
woodvsmurph1 votes
say hello to my little... your dead. I'm sorry, did your abilities deal damage? I can't tell. You have a shield for my physical damage... I have magic damage too so... rip. You want to run away? q, w, hextech gunblade... good luck. Oh, and while you are dueling her, any teammates nearby camille are taking insane aoe magic damage (who knew your e splash scales insanely off ad). And you are sitting at around 2700hp as an adc so... good luck 1-shotting that.
SH Azykan1 votesyet immobile champs like jax and garen absolutely can just fight her in her ult she removes a champs escaping as an option, but a lot of champs can just outright fight and kill her in her ultimate is supposed to be the fantasy the need to lower the bonus damage on AA's when she is in the ult, so that she uses it specifically for lockdown, not because it allows her to now out trade the renekton from the bonus damage
Kingnewgameplus1 votesDid you just call jax immobile?
Chief Mayonnaise1 votesThis is the side effect of all CC. 90% of the time, if it can lock down a mobile champ, it can lock down an immobile one even harder. The only effect that doesn't do this is the grounded effect.
A better design for the ult would be some sort of tether between her and one target. The target gains the grounded effect while it lasts and camille can gain her bonus damage. Now it no longer completely screws over immmobile ones as badly and still fulfills its purpose.
can all give her varying degrees of trouble