How can i beat Quinn top as Darius/Trundle/any melee champion without gap closer

Rohirrim··2 votes·23,031 views

I find it easy to play against Quinn with this champions(cuz of gap closer): Renekton,Irelia,Riven,Kennen. Im struggling against Quinn when i play Darius.She totaly counters me.There is nothing i can do.I ended up 0/2 in lane.Played passively mostly after that.Our jungler was afk untill 8 minute of game then he reconnected but it was too late. Quinn lv 1 is the strongest one in game currently. She can proc passive twice on lv 1 and do a lot of damage.(especialy if she took E )After that she will zone you and poke you in front of turret. Im kinda like wingsofdeathx.People never gank for me,still i do manage to get back in most of the games or to win 1v2 but when i need just little help( 1 game of 15) my jungler is afk...

Any tips how to beat Quinn top(even worse if her jungler is siting there 24/7) ??? thanx

17 Comments

CppL3 votes

If quinn player is not brain damaged ,you cant.Just ask help from your jungler.

Rohirrim1 votes

Quinn was pretty good.Thanx for reply

Erockandroll1 votes

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If quinn player is not brain damaged ,you cant.Just ask help from your jungler.

That would be scary. Considering Quinn is going to be able to whoop her way in to any lane thanks to her ult. I'd imagine you would want to shut her down as early as possible.

Rossendale3 votes

You don't. Quinn top shits on pretty much every meele without a gap closer, and on some of the meeles with gap closers too thanks to her point-and-click disengage. Just try to play safe and farm up. If you don't feed her you'll most likely be infinitely more useful in teamfights since at the end of the day Quinn is a squishy damage dealer and the enemy team will have to rely solely on their jungler and support for frontlining.

Rohirrim1 votes

I get it,i have to change playstyle from lane bully to passive.

Rossendale3 votes

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I get it,i have to change playstyle from lane bully to passive.

Pretty much. Even if you do get a successful engage on Quinn it's not worth it most of the time since you'll eat a bunch of return damage as you're running back behind your minions and she's autoing you for free. Don't worry though, as I've said before as long as you don't feed horribly you'll be more useful. Darius and Trundle are both big teamfight threats that can get by fine with farm alone. Quinn will fall off unless she's fed.

ThePartyLeader2 votes

I think you got the basics. It's about conceding farm but staying in xp range and letting her push into you. If possible try to stop her from pushing into your turret by freezing just outside it.

BattleBalladeer2 votes

My usual trundle response to something like quin is to farm as much as I can. Never use Teleport to return to lane from the shop. Use it to follow her when she roams (because if you play smart she wont get gold off of you and she will get cold feet) or gank bot to make up for the kills you cannot get on her.

And that tip goes for any matchup really. With Trundle's decent base MS with just a pair of normal boots and a W he can return to lane really fast. Using TP to return to lane when the lane opponent is not immediately upon your tower is a mistake, and one that I see my opponents make all the time.

The timing of Pillar is very important. There are 2 key things to consider with it in a lane against her:

o If you use pillar too early, she can stand by it and use you to flip over it. This effectively walls you away from her. Make sure if your Jungler ganks or in any sort of full engage that you do not try to wall her until after she has used this.

**o ** Similar to a Shen lane, her ultimate gives her incredible roaming potential. If you cannot fight her 1v1 (which is quite probable), then you want to save it to use on or _IMMEDIATELY AFTER _ her Ult channel. You have to aim right under her to knock her out of the sky. Never let her out of your vision for a second. If she starts to step abck towards her tower, ignore the minions for a second to make sure she is going back with recall or stop her ult with your E. If she is recalling then LET HER and then ping she is MIA. You should probably recall too and restock/upgrade a little and wander towards mind and then back up to top if she does not show up.

Because of her "blind" trying to trade with her at all as trundle is already difficult. The ability that causes the blind can also be used as a poke by the quinn player though, and unlike Teemo's it is a skillshot. She can wiff it on a minion and this might get you an opportunity to fight her, but with her escape mechanics it most likely wont. She can kite really well and this has always been Trundle's weakness. It is best to not fight her at all unless you can soemhow afford Cutlass

Rush: item 1053 and item 3047 for safer farming. Then try to get as much of item 3153 as you can and item 3044 . With the slow on BotrK/Cutlass and the MS boost of Phagerage you should be able to pick up on her a little.

Rohirrim1 votes

wow thanks

AngelFrost001 votes

Always have tank runes and masteries (Armour and MR). Hide in bushes to trick enemy. Confuse your enemy. Go behind enemy then murder them. Or the easiest tip be famous YouTuber and tell top planers give me kills for skins. Make enemy come towards you then go to them and E then W then Q AA. BE sonic also ( Boooitz)

Rohirrim1 votes

I saw SoloRenekOnly doing bush tricks but once i get offguard as melee(without gap closer) its horrible she will just run after me and make my life painfull. She can check bushes with W and Q into there.That tactic is not working against Quinn.I do manage to get behind her as Renekton and to outtrade her without fear of losing 1v1. Maybe item 3009 would help

AngelFrost001 votes

Maybe you should go quinn. Quinn vs Quinn.

Sasogwa1 votes

You can't. Having more than 1 cs per minute and not dying against a good quinn is a already quite a challenge as a melee champion.

Rohirrim1 votes

Thanx :)

Sasogwa1 votes

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Thanx :)

^^

But overall, you should be rushing high armor. Armor + 4 pots into item 3047 item 1054 item 3082 can help.

Rohirrim1 votes

Thats where i made mistake.I went for item 3742 .At that point i was realy pissed of and did not think about build.It was some messy build...

N7Darius1 votes

to beat quinn, lol as a darius main i can beat quinn by doing these.summoner 3 summoner 6 item 3009 item 3384

1 I take phase rush, with celerity, bone plating and crysallis incase quinn is running ignite.

2 i start boots or ruby crystal if quinn running ignite.

3 to trade avoid quinn at all cost till lvl 3, and do not shove lane.

4 i need to pull quinn while she go for a last hit, aa, then w. to get phase rush, at that time use the rush to go behind quinn ,so when she vaults on u she cant get to her tower without coming thru u.

5 Use exhaust and ghost if u cant use ur phase rush to block her path to tower, i.e. she vaults on u as soon as u use w or proc phase rush.

6 u will fail, but as a darius main, i got beat by every single quinn out there that is till i started using phase rush, then i fcking tower dive and kill her after a few kills on her. times is nothing timing is everthing. another gameplay small tips is, if u ever use ur q to farm if u position and time it right u can deny her dive poke, somewhat, i.e. she knows u gonna q for those last hits but if she dive vault on u she will take damage from q while u will heal off of her, so win trade right there, if u manage to do it about 3 times and then flash on some taunt they gonna lose their shit, their pairless counter pick like a bitch gonna feel like she is ur little bitch.

7.7\7-7. phage mandatory, boots mandatory, dead mans mandatory, merc, tabi, swiftness ur call. trinity helps better but u can go with black cleaver and swiftnesss boots combo.

8.8/8-8,the only true darius counter in entire league is, i.e. can't be outplayed, mechanically stupidly broken against darius kit is heimerdonger, tahm kench, bs yi and trundle. Every other champ darius can beat them if played correctly,

9/9-9\9. however, some champs which can also get mechanically broken with item scaling and late game scaling, i.e. even after darius wins lane can't anymore against them is, tryndamere, kayle, nasus, aatrox ,fizz, riven,(some what 50- 50 kogmaw , yasuo) and ofcourse, any teemo that fucking uses the broken on hits like guinsoo with his e, with botrk, rylai, liandry, or heck even a level 1 glacial augment teemo with cheesenite on top. Teemo item 3124 summoner 14 [zombie-brand-facepalm]

10 .Any1 else, can be outplayed forever and get dunked on. Oh and as a darius main ur every junglers wet dream on ganking, so u have to play passive till u know where the other jungler is, i.e. dont shove lane,at any cost, go for red side red buff steal then ghost back from base, or miss the 1st 3 minions deliberately, or hide in bush so the other guy will last hit or pre hit, do not push lane ever till ur strong enough, since u have no sustain always make sure u have a ton of pots against sustain champs.

Happy dunking Rohirrim, do enjoy your dunk party, and......1 other thing,

        THIS  IS  NOXUS !!!![Darius](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/champion/Darius.png) *[darius-angry]*

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