So, we still haven't received nerfs to Caitlyn's ability to set traps under enemy turrets.

Asudurga·Aug 1, 2016·88 votes·3,642 views

It's honestly frustrating when she can place up to five traps under your turret with no consequence. At least have the tower destroy them if they are within range.

EDIT: I love seeing these people trying to defend the traps and failing, there is absolutely no reason she should be allowed to set so many traps under an enemy turret. "Walk Around it!" Sure, I'll just avoid my tower and let them take it all together!

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Doctor JarvisAug 1, 201634 votes

Just do it like Azir's soldiers. "Sure you can put your traps there, but accept that they'll only last half as long."

AsudurgaAug 1, 20165 votes

That would work too, anything to gimp that annoying ability.

ElikainAug 1, 20169 votes

Her traps last up to 90 seconds. Even halving the duration in front of enemy turrets(45 seconds) would still be too long to wait out. Basically lasting up to 5 seconds would be decent as it would prevent Cait to siege the turret by denying actual defense. In front of her own turrets would be work pretty much like now and it would be fair to do so but under enemy turrets - nope.

GrReaper96Aug 2, 20163 votes

If they last 5 seconds might as well not use them under turrets at all. That way they last almost around 1800% longer.

ElikainAug 2, 20162 votes

That's my point. They last just long enough for you to make the enemy aware to step around them or wait them out in a reasonable time frame but not so long that it literally forces people off defending a turret if they don't have anyone to clear them up. Which means that Cait should excel at still doing what she already does with her traps - defending an objective and closing off small paths, EXCLUDING enemy turrets.

AírAug 2, 20161 votes

The thing is, at least this nerfs her early game a lot when it does come to seiging towers (unless she maxes traps first for some reason). Because lvl 1 traps have a cooldown of 45 sec and she can hold a max of 3. So at most she can have 3 under the tower early game. Sure it is not perfect, but that is a ton better than 5.

Guyy FieriAug 1, 20163 votes

I think that would be the most fair. Caitlyn's role as an ADC is a seige specialist. Without the traps, she is just like any other ADC at seiging towers.

Summonerrr 1Aug 3, 20161 votes

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Just do it like Azir's soldiers. "Sure you can put your traps there, but accept that they'll only last half as long."

I'd be great if this was the case with ALL untargetable traps (Nid traps, etc), not just cait's.

RivuoAug 1, 201616 votes

Also in what situaton is caitlyn able to just walk up to your tower and place traps while being unpunished for it? If shes putting traps behind your tower that means

A) you guys got beat to the objective B) you guys are already losing team fights and are scared to even approach or

C) You just let a caitlyn put traps

Lets talk about skills that zone just as hard. 4 Blitzcrank Annie Nautilus

All zone you just as hard. No doesnt mean they're broken but they do have intense zoning power.

It Hertz When IPAug 2, 20167 votes

Five traps under your tower mean none in the river and she's pushed the lane hard. This is where your jungler breaks out the good china, 'cause he's about to get FED.

RivuoAug 2, 20164 votes

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Five traps under your tower mean none in the river and she's pushed the lane hard. This is where your jungler breaks out the good china, 'cause he's about to get FED.

darkestkhanAug 3, 20161 votes

That works only in laning phase. After that it is really annoying - you can;t charge at her, and she can (mostly) zone you out of your own turret. Even if all she manages to do is hit 2 hits to turret and 2 to you it is still enough to make a difference.

AwesomeChadAug 1, 201614 votes

shes going to be very annoying at worlds if left unchanged.

RivuoAug 1, 20165 votes

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shes going to be very annoying at worlds if left unchanged.

Yeah because shes been very annoying at the Lcs currently right? ( Not )

AwesomeChadAug 1, 20164 votes

yeah because lCS = worlds. (Not)

RivuoAug 1, 20168 votes

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yeah because lCS = worlds. (Not)

False. The stuff you see in the lcs you will also see in worlds.

Dont know where you've been the last some years...

AwesomeChadAug 1, 20166 votes

what......worlds has a meta of its own due to it being an international event. What you see at lcs is regional metas.......get it right

RivuoAug 1, 20165 votes

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what......worlds has a meta of its own due to it being an international event. What you see at lcs is regional metas.......get it right

Every league series (korean na eu ++) are all plqying the same champions. When worlds come, they will continue to play the same champions.

Dont know where the fuck youve been. Caitlyn is already one of the lower picked adcs. Shes not a problem

kuzzy47Aug 1, 20164 votes

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Every league series (korean na eu ++) are all plqying the same champions. When worlds come, they will continue to play the same champions.

Dont know where the fuck youve been. Caitlyn is already one of the lower picked adcs. Shes not a problem

20%+ okayyyyyyyyyyyy

Kempachi TaichouAug 1, 20166 votes

No, they understand counter play....

ArakadiaAug 1, 20163 votes

What's counterplay against a whole lane stopped up with a wall of traps?

Guyy FieriAug 1, 20163 votes

Banshees Veil, Spell Shields hard engage, water drake (regen when she pokes you down after stepping on the trap), split push and out rotating.

ArakadiaAug 1, 20166 votes

Banshee's is not gonna be the first item you get. I'm talking in lane/mid game. Water drake is RNG and not an excuse. How can you splitpush if she just traps lane up? Spellshields are ridiculously rare. Hard engage doesnt work well because she just E's you and pops you with a headshot. Or she makes a wall of traps to stop you.

Guyy FieriAug 2, 20163 votes

Do you know how many times I've rushed banshees veil as a top laner? Too many to count. Does it help you for your lane phase no probably not. Maybe you'll have to play safer and keep Cait from pushing the wave until you can get to mid game when your tank is there with banshees veil.

Seriously, Caitlyn's not op. Is she annoying, yes. I played mostly Lucian for a while and got my butt kicked in. Then I learned what to do and what not to do (including not playing Lucian) and now Caitlyn has actually work to win lane against me.

You wanna talk about an OP ADC, let's talk about Ashe. Every auto attack is free utility. Fairly strong vision ability (making up for the lack of green wards in season 6), one of the best ults in the game gives her Ashe insane kill pressure post 6. Her Q makes her out damage pretty much every ADC pre-6. Has good wave clear with her Volley. Ashe enables her team while still be able to put out more dps than almost every other ADC. No but Caitlyn can trap you off your turret so she the OP one..

ArakadiaAug 2, 20163 votes

I dont think nor ever said that Cait was OP. Im not buying banshees JUST for her traps because then I do no damage and she shreds me because its MR.

Kempachi TaichouAug 2, 20161 votes

If you need a Banshee and don't get it, because you know, it's not what [insert web page] said to buy....

Then you deserve to lose, because you refuse to adapt itemization for your team.

ArakadiaAug 2, 20162 votes

I'm not refusing to adapt. Refusing to adapt is not building exe calling against Munro because I want I.E. More. Telling Annie to get QSS against Malz as a first item is fine but telling her to sink gold into an item JUST for one of Malz's non ultimate abilities and being able to only use one of the stats isn't fine.

I can't use the MR early game unless they have Corki and an AP support and the health+spellshield isn't enough of a reason to buy it.

So buying Banshees JUST for her traps is ridiculous. I won't do damage and I can't take much damage. But it's obviously worth because now I can step on traps every time that long cd passive is up. Kappa.

SociopathFriendAug 2, 20162 votes

You have a tank? Send them in- the ADC is near the front and ripe for CC. You have an assassin? Go boy- go get the squishy! You have a mage? You should be zoning yourself, not being zoned.

CerealBoxOfDoomAug 1, 201614 votes

why does this matter andwhy is she putting traps under your tower for free?

ÇêrbêrûsAug 2, 201610 votes

Maybe you shouldnt LET her put all those traps down. It does take time and if she out rotates you that bad you deserve to lose that tower.

Kempachi TaichouAug 1, 20166 votes

Her traps have a counter, walk around them.

Shield yourself and step on them.

Force her to back and step on them.

ArakadiaAug 1, 20168 votes

What if she makes a wall of them? Not every champion, very few in fact, has a shield.

Kempachi TaichouAug 1, 20163 votes

That's why you have to build for the game. There are items that help with that. Besides, if you pick a team comp w/o utility, you deserve to get locked down by them.

ArakadiaAug 1, 20168 votes

What items? What am I supposed to do especially in early game? Banshees won't give armor so I'm supposed to get armor, banshees, AND damage as an ADC?

ADC's don't usually have utility. Especially utility that would negate her traps.

Guyy FieriAug 1, 20167 votes

You aren't supposed to step on them as an ADC unless your name is Sivir and you have your spell shield up. Otherwise, that's what your tanks are for. If you don't have any tanks then that's your team fault for no having at least one tank.

ArakadiaAug 1, 20163 votes

If I have Nami and MF botlane whats the counterplay? I understand your point but in early-mid game I can't have top lane walk down for a trap.

ReZisT LustAug 1, 20166 votes

have nami eat one then heal

BoilTheOilAug 2, 20161 votes

yea but then caitlyn entire team is there

ReZisT LustAug 2, 20162 votes

why would there be a 5v2 during botlane early game unless mid n top get free tower dmg n rift herald

zlumpyAug 2, 20162 votes

Bot lane is almost always a party. Most games end up being a 4 on 4 or close to it in bot area with top making occasional TP down if they can make it work.

Kempachi TaichouAug 2, 20161 votes

Nami should build Ninja Tabi or some other armor, Trigger the trap and Heal the damage. Although MF can also force Cait back when you trigger the trap, and not worry about anything...

DontChaseBardAug 2, 20163 votes

oh really? how the fuck would MF be able to "force her back" when Cait easily outranges her, gets increased ranged for a CRIT when someone steps on a trap, and Caitlyn also has a support protecting her.

Kempachi TaichouAug 2, 20162 votes

Positioning and team work... You can even flank her from the backside and force her into your tower and clear her traps while she's on the run.

Why do you whine instead of accept solutions? Are your critical thinking skills that weak? Or do you just not want answers, just want to cry about it?

LeetriAug 2, 20163 votes

90% of the complaints on this forum is just people refusing to play differently, they want to play the exact same way against all champions. Edit: Oops, spelling.

RivuoAug 2, 20162 votes

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If I have Nami and MF botlane whats the counterplay? I understand your point but in early-mid game I can't have top lane walk down for a trap.

Mf beats caitlyn in lane..

ArakadiaAug 2, 20161 votes

That's not the point?

The point was what could I do against her traps if I'm MF.

Pierce The VealAug 2, 20161 votes

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You aren't supposed to step on them as an ADC unless your name is Sivir and you have your spell shield up. Otherwise, that's what your tanks are for. If you don't have any tanks then that's your team fault for no having at least one tank.

I like how if it's an assassin vs a no tank team then it's broke, but if it's an adc then it's your fault.

Guyy FieriAug 2, 20162 votes

I never once said that...the counterplay to a lot of this is to have tanks to soak damage...if you don't have tanks for it then it's not broken, just requires a different playstyle

OHminusAug 2, 20165 votes

If you let Cait take the time to set traps under your own tower, you deserve to let that tower die. It takes 1.1 sec to place a trap, meaning it'll take 6 ish seconds to set up 5 traps. This means you either got outrotated, lost a teamfight, or ... stood there watching her place her cupcakes.
Cait's traps + passive are all that she has. She is the definition of a siege adc. Her Q is generic to the point of being blander than water, her E allows her to proc her passive to boost her damage but 70% of the time people are using it as a form of mobility to get away, and her R is easily blocked and is only used to pick off low enemies running away. Nerfing traps = Urgot level nerf. She would have no place in any meta and would be constantly outclassed by Tristana and Ashe. Throw in the fact that her waveclear depends on her getting a Hurricane and this makes Cait, at most, perfectly balanced. What the hell are you complaining about?