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To be honest, Kassadin really needs a VGU.

Shmeeve··15 votes·9,217 views

First off, no, I don't think we need to rework Kassadin, he is still fun to play and is quite viable in the right hands. However, he needs his visuals, voicelines and even his lore updated.

Let's start with one of the most obvious reasons, Kassadin's character model is quite outdated even though it has been improved before, but that was many years ago, we are now in 2019. Thankfully, Kassadin isn't as "blocky" compared to other current champions such as Malphite and Mundo, but there is still some things that should be adjusted to him. Design: I wanted his design to still be like he is using technology to resist the power of the void to an extent, and this artwork is a great representation of that (then again it is not my work): http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/28/34/a5/2834a516c50ef9cc1c6b59c0be4c7e13.jpg Also, it fixes his "nether blade," Which in game... looks like it is phasing right through his hand. Another thing I would like to address with this concept art is that kassadin is wearing a chestplate... he isn't shirtless. Why is this important? Well, remember kai'sa and that she didn't have any trace of corruption or scars from the void on her? Well, that's because she was wearing armor, and if kassadin is going to take on the void, it would make sense that he would wear more gear.

Voicelines: Kassadin's voice entirely fits his character... well more like his character model, he is wearing a helmet after all. Not only that, it's epic as hecc. Voiceline-wise however, Kassadin needs to have them updated. As far as we know, Kai'sa is already out of the void, they need to pull a lucian and update kassadin's voicelines already to interact with Kai'sa. Second, maybe he can have interactions with other void creatures (like specific champions) so we can learn more about them.

Lore: We have no clue what Kassadin is doing right now since Kai'sa was already shown to be going in and out of the void. We need a continuation to his lore, because he has so much potential to his character development. That is pretty much the only reason why we need new lore to him because its a bit outdated.

Anyway... that's all of my ideas for kassadin, comment your thoughts.

20 Comments

The Swift Yordle5 votes

Visual update yes. Rework on the other hand. He needs that. He is too brain dead mid-late game. His R - W - auto does 1,800 with just item 3007 item 3100 item 3027 it's super annoying.

ZackTheWaffleMan1 votes

I believe that he should be very strong in the lategame, but yeah, it definitely should be harder to execute than it is now

Zeyphel1 votes

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Visual update yes. Rework on the other hand. He needs that. He is too brain dead mid-late game. His R - W - auto does 1,800 with just item 3007 item 3100 item 3027 it's super annoying.

I have to disagree. Try playing him smashing buttons ramdomly from early to late game and that is the easiest way to lose a game. Kassadin forces you to focus on positioning. You can't just R enemy team because you will get instantly oneshotted due to his low armor and how squishy he is. Also once he is in, you have 2 seconds to take him down before he can escape which in a damage meta is pretty easy to do or simply cc him. Considering he spent the whole early game and part of mid game as a minion in lane, you guys should have enough advantage to deal with him in late game.

Another thing that works most times is grouping. If you are grouped Kassadin cannot kill you without killing himself in the process. His main advantge is chasing people down which you can easily deny by staying together. This is the normal Kassadin. Now, Tankadin is a history that I still lack experience to explain.

xelaker2 votes

item 3040 item 3027 item 3157 just this is making "squishy" a bit misleading, but it doesn't much matter if he can drop in and nearly oneshot a squishy... sure if he 1v5 he prob won't get the kill or at least escape, but if kass gets ahead that ult of his makes fighting him a terrible pain.

Zeyphel1 votes

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item 3040 item 3027 item 3157 just this is making "squishy" a bit misleading, but it doesn't much matter if he can drop in and nearly oneshot a squishy... sure if he 1v5 he prob won't get the kill or at least escape, but if kass gets ahead that ult of his makes fighting him a terrible pain.

Try it yourself. I am tired of using words when people just want to believe whatever they want to believe. Kassadin has such low base hp and def (which don't even scale regularly) that he can be oneshotted easily despite having those 3 items. They are not enough to stop assasins from oneshotting you in this meta.

As you said he can nearly kill squishies late game fast just as any assasin can do from early game. Kass however has to wait to late game to have that potential. And his mobility is not that awesome if enemy team is grouped because his specialty is chasing people down singularly, but he can't do this if they are together because he will just get himself killed.

And yes, he is annoying lategame if you want to go by yourself and freely explore the map because it is very likely that if he finds you alone he will kill you unless you can oneshot him faster or you play tryndamere. But I find that situation fair because if he sacrifices early game impact he should have higher late game impact.

But as I said, if your team does not misposition Kassadin will lose a really big part of his potential and will feel like just another assasin. If you are as 5, he can't just enter kill you and escape, which some people like to exaggerate. After he uses R and does his combo, he either has to use Zhonya's which will mostly kill him if he is between your team, or he flashes away because during those 2 seconds his R is on CD he can be easily killed or even a single CC would condemn him.

Yordle Xayah5 votes

To be honest, Kassadin really needs a VGU

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I don't think we need to rework Kassadin

Do you know what "VGU" means?

Diopsideˆ4 votes

Lol this champ actually needs whole VGU, it's disgusting to see him when he gets 2 items and then snowballs till the end without proper counter-play.

Sukishoo3 votes

Kass and all his skins got updated in 2015. He still looks good.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9WNneZ2GMUo/VP51Ta8DXCI/AAAAAAAAlbk/y8XksNHcP8M/s360/kassbasecompare.jpg

nachocheeseeeee1 votes

His Nether Blade still looks like a cut-out piece of cardboard, and the edges of his model still look a bit too rigid and straight. I mean just look at that skirt and those horns. Kinda looks like old Morgana. The blue skin also looks sickly. I agree that he needs a visual update. Btw, fan made design looks sick.

xelaker2 votes

Kass can eat a dog turd until he stops being able to drop squishies at 3 items and rift back on out.

Shmeeve2 votes

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Kass can eat a dog turd until he stops being able to drop squishies at 3 items and rift back on out.

Meanwhile Leblanc can do it at 2 items... and just book it.

xelaker2 votes

lb falls off a cliff in the late game, whereas kass does not...

Zeyphel1 votes

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lb falls off a cliff in the late game, whereas kass does not...

lb is trong in early whereas kass is not...

Expecting Kass to be weak lategame when he had a nonexistent early game and a regular mid game is as far as nonsense can go.

Kenneky1 votes

If he needs a vasual update why don't you just said VU? Or just change the VGU in the title to just VU. As for Kassadin I think If they give him chestplate (as you said) and and showed his legs or maybe add physics to his "dress" I think he will be fine as for visual goes. His voice line and character need an update the most, how many lines does he has in game? 20? I highly doubt it he will receive such changes, but one can dream...

FSRER1 votes

Since they did not do it with the count Kassadin skin they are not going to do it, especially since that skin did not sell well. We are talking about Riot mate, not a company that does what the community wants

Deathfall1 votes

I mean almost all of their older champions with outdated/unfinished models need a VU. Riot could and should be doing Morgana/Ezreal level mini-VGU for champions but they would rather spend 12 months working on one champion and release 5 new champions instead. Since July Riot has released about 5 champions (including Sett who is probably coming out this week). It's just amazing how they think the community wants new champions over updating the art and doing MINOR kit work on existing ones.

MrEnds1 votes

"Try that again" Kassadin

LightswornLance1 votes

I got the Count Kassadin skin from an orb last event and let me tell you that it is probably THE BEST skin in the game. But yes he does need new voice lines, compare his voice lines to someone like Sylas another champ I play and they are completely lacking. His gameplay is fine imo. Strong if the enemy doesn't know how to abuse his laning phase and weak if they do.

lolipopevelynn1 votes

In terms of void champs, Malz needs a VGU alot more than kass. Kog too prob.

VampiricNarwhal1 votes

Same with Vladimir, cuz fml that model is hideous and Blood Lord doesn’t even feel like a legendary skin.

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