Can we talk about the complete lack of meaningful counterplay that Vladimir has?

CloakAndGrenade··3 votes·990 views

His cooldowns are non-existent giving no time zone to play around to punish. He has no mana so there is no using your resources more wisely than him and getting a mana advantage in lane. He has braindead sustain that is going to heal through all poke so you're not going to out-sustain him. His wave clear is decent and most champions aren't going to be able to push him under his turret. His W is braindead and gives an absolutely ridiculous amount of survivability meaning your turret isn't going to protect you and your jungler is rarely going to be able to gank, so there's no sitting under your turret and playing for mid to late. His combo is entirely point and click with the exception of one AoE that isn't dodgeable if you are in range anyway (Not that the range of the spell is actually clear even if it was) so your outplay potential is very low.

Laning against a Vladimir is entirely dependant on waiting for the Vladimir to make a mistake, or having both the support -and- jungler roam up with at least three strings of consecutive CC and an ignite. This isn't meaningful counterplay. This is why Vlad is a champion that is -heavily- abused by smurfs and boosters. If you're lucky you might get to counter-pick with something like a Swain who can match him in lane or an Irelia who can burst him down relatively early but in Solo queue that is very rarely going to be a gift you get.

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MorganFreemanBot3 votes

Vlad's Q has a 10 second cooldown at level 1. Additionally, his "I want to hurt you" Q has a gigantic visual indicator which lets you track when it's becoming active, and when it's off of him.

Vlad's W has a 20% current health cost. Using it incorrectly can absolutely lose trades, and given he doesn't move faster during it.. Most champions with a dash are capable of re-engaging on him easily.

His E has a charge time, is blockable with creeps, and has a painful 10% max health cost.

R is pretty hard to miss, but it gates his power by meaning that he needs to survive (not -always- difficult) to the end to see great gains.

Vlad might be OP atm, I wouldn't know because I never see him. But he's sure as not immune to counterplay, and his trading pattern doesn't leave him invulnerable to retaliation.

Olga Rajecka2 votes

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Vlad's Q has a 10 second cooldown at level 1. Additionally, his "I want to hurt you" Q has a gigantic visual indicator which lets you track when it's becoming active, and when it's off of him.

Vlad's W has a 20% current health cost. Using it incorrectly can absolutely lose trades, and given he doesn't move faster during it.. Most champions with a dash are capable of re-engaging on him easily.

His E has a charge time, is blockable with creeps, and has a painful 10% max health cost.

R is pretty hard to miss, but it gates his power by meaning that he needs to survive (not -always- difficult) to the end to see great gains.

Vlad might be OP atm, I wouldn't know because I never see him. But he's sure as not immune to counterplay, and his trading pattern doesn't leave him invulnerable to retaliation.

Give me a list of champions that can actually initiate a duel with him, wait out W and reinitiate while still winning. I'll wait.

Zeppelins circus1 votes

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Give me a list of champions that can actually initiate a duel with him, wait out W and reinitiate while still winning. I'll wait.

It is not about him being meta or op. He is annoying as hell at all times. Riot said they will make the annoying part more milder with the rework, and he is just the same old annoying as heck Vlad.

SSXXIII1 votes

Vlads whole kit beyond broken retarded but dont try to argue on boards if you want a real response. The fact that he can just oneshot you at 6 while having safe laning, retard proof sustain, oh and also is a lanebully and outscales you kinda like cassio. Maybe he gets a rework someday but he has a playerbase who is big enough to freak out about that (aatrox didnt cough cough)

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