Why does every one think Lux needs a nerf?

Swerzz·Dec 15, 2015·10 votes·3,618 views

I'm sorry, but i must be missing something here. When i play against her, i don't think she's all that annoying. And as long as you can dodge her Q, I don't think she's terrible strong. She's just like every other burst mage. I used to play her a lot, so maybe i just learnt how to play against her, but i don't think she deserves a nerf over other champs.

EDIT: So all i'm hearing is that she should be nerfed because she has a high win rate? That's all? So instead of learning how to play against her, you'd rather have her nerfed outta play. No one is even saying what's strong about her? Is it her ULT, or her Q (Which is pretty much LITERALLY the only thing they changed about her in Season 5, out side of some QoL changes)

38 Comments

The Bíg TicketDec 15, 20158 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Lux

Best midlaner in the game...no risk, hard to mess up on her.

l Helios lDec 15, 20154 votes

I think "best" is a little generous.

The Bíg TicketDec 15, 20153 votes

2nd highest pick rate along with 2nd highest winrate out of all midlaners.

Edit: This is date from Platinum and higher....guess she could be worse in low elo where people can't hit skillshots.

SwerzzDec 15, 20154 votes

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2nd highest pick rate along with 2nd highest winrate out of all midlaners.

Edit: This is date from Platinum and higher....guess she could be worse in low elo where people can't hit skillshots.

Shouldn't people in Plat+ be better a dodging skill shots?

eaglei3Dec 15, 20151 votes

People in plat+ are better at reading enemy movements and timing their skillshots when an opponent is stuck in an action such as last hitting a minion.

Ruin LanceDec 15, 20154 votes

hard to dodge her E and sometimes impossible to dodge it. you can slow someone with your E and then Q them which also makes it a fair amount harder to dodge. to be honest lux's E is borderline undodgable in lane unless they telegraph their E (walking towards you to poke with it) not to mention her safety in lane as well. she's pretty much immune to ignite with her W giving her a refreshing shield which makes her take no damage from it at all even with only 1 point in it. and if she does land a q ever, then she can just E + ult and they're dead

SwerzzDec 15, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ruin Lance,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=c5XXq0G1,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2015-12-15T22:36:08.377+0000)

hard to dodge her E and sometimes impossible to dodge it. you can slow someone with your E and then Q them which also makes it a fair amount harder to dodge. to be honest lux's E is borderline undodgable in lane unless they telegraph their E (walking towards you to poke with it) not to mention her safety in lane as well. she's pretty much immune to ignite with her W giving her a refreshing shield which makes her take no damage from it at all even with only 1 point in it. and if she does land a q ever, then she can just E + ult and they're dead

But a lot of her damage of her E comes from procing the passive that comes from the E. If they try to land a Q with the slow from the E (and Miss), she does zero damage. It's also very mana hungry at early levels. People complain about her safety level, go in once she uses her Q, she's pretty much defenseless at that point. And to dodge her damage, just focus on your positioning a little more VS her. If you know she has Q, realize that you should be behind a minion wave. Also item 1057 goes along way against her in lane.

if she does land a q ever, then she can just E + ult and they're dead

Annie ??

Ruin LanceDec 15, 20151 votes

what about Annie ? im not one to whine about every champ in the game but annie is without counterplay and very problematic. lux does at least have counterplay but annie if you wanna talk about annie she is so problematic that the only counter to her is stacking mr or having your tank cc her before a fight. pretty sure most people know this already but the only reason they haven't changed annie yet is because of all the annie mains will whine about changing their champ and riot doesn't want that. anyway back on the lux topic. a smart lux won't leave themselves prone to an all-in by backing off until their q is off-CD. sure, build some mr, once that lux gets that morello mana won't be as much of a problem, she'll have cdr for more safety in lane, more opportunities to poke and all-in, and you won't be able to outdamage her since you went to build a fairly high cost mr item. maybe most of my hate for lux comes from the fact that most lux players are insanely toxic and bm all game but as she is now there's no way she's fair. maybe not op, but she really has everything except for mobility. EDIT: so tl;dr everyone ~~hates~~ thinks that lux should be nerfed because she is too safe in lane and has almost none of the risk and more than enough reward.

SwerzzDec 15, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ruin Lance,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=c5XXq0G1,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2015-12-15T22:58:21.912+0000)

what about ? im not one to whine about every champ in the game but annie is without counterplay and very problematic. lux does at least have counterplay but annie if you wanna talk about annie she is so problematic that the only counter to her is stacking mr or having your tank cc her before a fight. pretty sure most people know this already but the only reason they haven't changed annie yet is because of all the annie mains will whine about changing their champ and riot doesn't want that. anyway back on the lux topic. a smart lux won't leave themselves prone to an all-in by backing off until their q is off-CD. sure, build some mr, once that lux gets that morello mana won't be as much of a problem, she'll have cdr for more safety in lane, more opportunities to poke and all-in, and you won't be able to outdamage her since you went to build a fairly high cost mr item. maybe most of my hate for lux comes from the fact that most lux players are insanely toxic and bm all game but as she is now there's no way she's fair. maybe not op, but she really has everything except for mobility.

Oh, nothing about Annie. I was just saying that champs that 100-0 people have been around for a while. That's all.

Back to Lux

Is she OP... No Is she hard to kill sometimes yes

But she's a poke based champ, that's what she is. Does it suck? Yes, very much so. is there counterplay? Yes, there is always counterplay. She's very burst reliant champ,She has her Kill burst (Q,E,R,AA,E(again),AA) that's all she has though. And one way to beat a burst champ is another burst champ if find.

On another note, have yet to see a toxic Lux yet, oddly enough.

Ruin LanceDec 15, 20151 votes

But she's a poke based champ, that's what she is. Does it suck? Yes, very much so. is there counterplay? Yes, there is always counterplay. She's very burst reliant champ,She has her Kill burst (Q,E,R,AA,E(again),AA) that's all she has though. And one way to beat a burst champ is another burst champ if find.

this is true and she has her counters (like Ahri ) but she's too good against champs with low range or low mobility. what are they gonna do? riot hates lane bullies as much as anyone else and lux is one of those. she's just too good against too many champs all game apart from her high mana costs which is quickly overcome past 7 minutes. to put it more bluntly, with the adc update you know how they made Caitlyn and MissFortune now? it's like that. super good early game and they scale into late game just as well as anyone else except for maybe Vayne .

p.s.

On another note, have yet to see a toxic Lux yet, oddly enough.

what kind of world do you live in to not get a toxic lux lmao

SwerzzDec 15, 20151 votes

what kind of world do you live in to not get a toxic lux lmao

Honestly, i'm as surprised as you are. I had one say sorry for dying once, that took me by surprise.

BladeSteelJan 30, 20161 votes

I've never seen a toxic lux...ever....

Pasta Help DeskDec 15, 20151 votes

Your close. But according to the link you provided Zilean has the best win rate in the mid lane. Lux is coming it at number two with Vel'Koz not far behind at all.

Zilean-Win Rate 57.2%
Lux-Win Rate 54.82%
Vel'Koz-Win Rate 54.61%

SaltyKrackaDec 15, 20151 votes

And then you look at play rate and see that Lux is picked and played, oh, about 12 times more than Zilean.

Pasta Help DeskDec 15, 20151 votes

Yes your 100% right her pick rate dwarfs Zils, but that isn't why I posted the above statement. I posted it because the person I was commenting to stated lux was #1 in win rate right now. All I was stating is that isn't true lux currently is #2. It also blew my mind zilean had that high of a win rate I thought me and like 12 other people played him lol. Guess me and those 12 other people are doing a damn good job!

IceohDec 15, 20153 votes

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http://champion.gg/champion/Lux

Best midlaner in the game...no risk, hard to mess up on her.

Right, only four of her abilities are skillshots. Really hard to mess up with that.

Cloud273Dec 16, 20151 votes

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http://champion.gg/champion/Lux

Best midlaner in the game...no risk, hard to mess up on her.

She's actually not the best. Zilean is the best mid champ ATM. But still, Lux isn't that far behind him with her win rate. Riot will most likely nerf both of them with the next patch.

skyfall619Dec 15, 20157 votes

prolly because she is way too safe for the about of dmg and utility she has.

Vistha KaiDec 15, 20154 votes

Because her E is literally undodgeable for anybody without a dash or a blink mobility spell even at max range.

Other than that I see no other reason.

SwerzzDec 15, 20153 votes

I'm sorry, i just don't find her very overwhelming to play against. i'd rather lane against her then 75% of the other mid laners

l Helios lDec 15, 20152 votes

She doesn't really deserve it imo. She's a very one-dimensional concept: land Q, use everything until someone is dead. Q is also a really slow projectile tbh.

Penguin EclipseDec 15, 20152 votes

It's not a matter of if. She will get nerfed. All buffs received after her passive received AP scaling have been completely unnecessary.

SwerzzDec 15, 20151 votes

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It's not a matter of if. She will get nerfed. All buffs received after her passive received AP scaling have been completely unnecessary.

That was all the way back in Patch 4.13. And I wouldn't say every thing has been unnecessary.

They fixed a bug in her Ult
Made it so her shield shields her instantly after cast. not after .25 seconds.
Made her E be able to be activated after cast to detonate at the end. (Before the cast had to end before you could detonate her E)
And her Q had a small mana reduction, also now both targets hit feel the full effects of the snare and damage

really only got one buff, 2 small quality of life changes and a bug fix.

Penguin EclipseDec 16, 20152 votes

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That was all the way back in Patch 4.13. And I wouldn't say every thing has been unnecessary.

They fixed a bug in her Ult

Made it so her shield shields her instantly after cast. not after .25 seconds.

Made her E be able to be activated after cast to detonate at the end. (Before the cast had to end before you could detonate her E)

And her Q had a small mana reduction, also now both targets hit feel the full effects of the snare and damage

really only got one buff, 2 small quality of life changes and a bug fix.

No matter how many times you call her buffs quality of life changes, they were hard buffs. Her win and pick rate directly soared as a result and she is now oppressive. She will get nerfed and you will likely wish those buffs hadn't been made.

SaltyKrackaDec 15, 20151 votes

She's had the highest combined pick and win rates in midlane for the last FOUR MONTHS.

Hell, she's got a ~55% win rate and 12-13% pick rate in this patch alone.

DunkinNoobsDec 16, 20151 votes

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She's had the highest combined pick and win rates in midlane for the last FOUR MONTHS.

Hell, she's got a ~55% win rate and 12-13% pick rate in this patch alone.

She's a mage, and an immobile one at that. She's allowed to be OP. You're allowed to be as strong as you want so long as the community doesn't consider you to be annoying. But lord help you if you the community ever decides you're annoying, or worse, that your kit is "overloaded". No amount of nerfs will ever satisfy them.

LadyRenlyDec 15, 20151 votes

because the forums hate mages

Penguin EclipseDec 16, 20152 votes

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because the forums hate mages

Really? Because by reading the forums one would get the impression that everyone here is a mage main.

TankkmainDec 15, 20151 votes

Because they don't know that there are 27+ champions that counter her.

CasterGilgameshDec 16, 20151 votes

i personally want to buff where she can insta activate her Lucent Singularity before it even lands gone

FowusDec 16, 20151 votes

I really have no problem dealing with her whenever I go mid and play against one

MunchCrunchLunchDec 16, 20151 votes

shes too spamy. i don't think they should nerf her damage. but shes too spamy. they need to give her longer cooldowns.

OwltearsDec 16, 20151 votes

Lux support I can see people complaining about being OP but just because she has a high win rate doesn't mean she should get nerfed.

darkmatchwaldoDec 16, 20151 votes

The same reason people complain about Illaoi , they can't dodge to save their lives.

Wînter FoxDec 16, 20151 votes

Her E cannot be dodged and she farms very well. Free win in lane -> free win in game

Akali is SO HOTJan 30, 20161 votes

cuz she' overpowered aids

Blumpkin NationJan 30, 20161 votes

Well. Because with Thunderlord's, she has a lot more damage. They also gave her some QoL fixes as well as an unnecessary buff to her Q. As a Lux player, I don't think her snare should last as long on the secondary target lol. That's what made it different but similar to Morgs.

Although, Lux isn't AS safe as people think. I doubt they're playing champions like Rammus, who, once you blow her flash, make her super easy to gank. Or Lee sin/Zac with their Mobility abuse. Zed can ultimately have an easier time against her as well. So can Xerath or Ziggs.

I'm not saying you should have to counter pick for lux, but it's more likely Season6's fault rather than Lux.