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Illaoi is overtuned early on, quality of life nerfs would be appreciated

Chicken4dinner·12/1/2015, 10:27:46 AM·10 votes·1,152 views

This is a salty thread, but not one where I demand nerfs for something that doesn't need it (rito pls stop vayne killing tanks ect).

Here are a few issues I have with her at the moment -

  1. Her base damage for tentacles is too high at early levels allowing her to cut me down by 1/8th of my hp per tentacle hit
  2. Tentacles can surprise attack (spawn attack) guaranteeing a hit for those who don't have flash on the trigger finger
  3. Her e is up before the debuff ends, that lasts veeeery long and because tenticles surprise attack this results in unexpected deaths while running away.
  4. She is naturally tanky but heals %hp on hit with tenticles that are hard to avoid and strike often and in groups
  5. Her tentacle hitbox is larger then the marker, significantly... which makes every other issue I have a lot worse

Any of these individually are not too bad but they are literally persistent throughout her kit. I don't like getting comp stomped for playing anyone other then Illaoi :(

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Bijorn12/1/2015, 2:22:50 PM4 votes

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This is a salty thread, but not one where I demand nerfs for something that doesn't need it (rito pls stop vayne killing tanks ect).

Here are a few issues I have with her at the moment -

  1. Her base damage for tentacles is too high at early levels allowing her to cut me down by 1/8th of my hp per tentacle hit
  2. Tentacles can surprise attack (spawn attack) guaranteeing a hit for those who don't have flash on the trigger finger
  3. Her e is up before the debuff ends, that lasts veeeery long and because tenticles surprise attack this results in unexpected deaths while running away.
  4. She is naturally tanky but heals %hp on hit with tenticles that are hard to avoid and strike often and in groups
  5. Her tentacle hitbox is larger then the marker, significantly... which makes every other issue I have a lot worse

Any of these individually are not too bad but they are literally persistent throughout her kit. I don't like getting comp stomped for playing anyone other then Illaoi :(

  1. Agreed, but this only needs a few points. Besides, they are EXTREMELY easy to avoid.
  2. Pay attention. It is a solid 2-3 seconds of them actually spawing before they spawn so you should be able to avoid them. Plus, they only attack when you're a vessel, she uses her w, or her ult. They won't attack by themselves for no reason.
  3. I think the duration needs to be dropped as well.
  4. Tentacles are very easy to avoid...very easy.
  5. Hitbox is not bigger, if it is it is barely noticeable. What most likely is happening is that the animation of the tentacle coming down and hitting you is off from the actual hit of the tentacle.

If you pay attention then you will be fine...I have beaten her in lane as Mord top, Brand top and Olaf top. She really isn't that hard to beat. If you can't react to her fairly telegraphed animations (besides W, that is difficult to get away from although it is obvious she is attempting it by getting very close to you) then of course you will lose lane to her.

Abyssphere12/1/2015, 2:49:49 PM3 votes

What is a "quality of life nerf"?

dannykun12/1/2015, 10:50:32 AM2 votes

I'm gonna disagree. Illaoi is not as powerful as people say, she's actually very weak when countered correctly. champions with early harrassment that can avoid her early damage are very powerful counters to her. She's got some of the weakest mobility, and champions that can keep out of her range are very powerful against her. a lot of the issues you have with her stem from you approaching her from the wrong angle.

Using Vlad is actually a great example of a near perfect counter to her play style, his play style allows him to avoid a lot of the unecessary damage while harrassing her a lot and getting rid of damage sources safetly. She can jump on vlad, but vlad can dodge tentacles with his pool, and in test of spirit Illaoi is actually forced to make a choice. Deal less damage by focusing the vessal, allowing vlad to combo his abilities out and reach higher damage potentials, or attempt to damage vlad directly in hopes that he'll run away and become a vessal anyway, and though Jumping on vlad sounds, he can pool out and has superior sustain for the fight, so pushing him out isn't a good option. Even in this instance Illaoi is already in a very poor position. she's facing two decisions, both of which aren't really that helpful to her.

Now of course this is just an example, but it's important to note that champion counters are very important because when a champion's kit can put yours on the ropes even when your champs ability should give you the advantage, you've got an issue. Illaoi is a direct counter to a lot of the popular top laners, but falls short to champs that have left the meta recently.

TL:DR good analysis of her strengths, but if you approach her from another angle you'll be able to counter her.

Photos of Ghosts12/1/2015, 2:15:09 PM1 votes

In exchange for this, she could get a per-champion-level scaling on her E's range so as to be more useful lategame

Penns12/1/2015, 5:49:00 PM1 votes
  1. Many champs do that with 1 ability, but Illaoi has 0 cc and nearly no mobility, so its justified.
  2. Huh? If her tentacles "surprise attack" you, you dont need to flash, you just need to move 50 units to the side after the 2 year spawn animation lol-
  3. "While running away", this shouldnt result in anything-
  4. Thats why you should let her team engage then she has nothing.
Azteryz12/1/2015, 6:17:06 PM1 votes

you need to understand what quality of life means because none of these are that

i do however agree on the hit box misunderstanding but to be honest her tentacles are indeed relatively easy to dodge

unless its her ult tentacles which are fine since its her ult and they should be better

RogueWill12/3/2015, 12:01:40 PM1 votes

I really wish people would stop making this kinda of threads on the new champion,

We know she is overpowered, riot know she is overpowered but want to no a secret? Is on purpose to boost sales of the new champion. Wait a couple of patched and she will get nerfed to a balanced level.