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One Way You Could do Ranked Teambuilder [In-Depth Idea]

Civil Dawn··58 votes·4,768 views

I have an idea of one way you guys at Riot could make Ranked Teambuilder. And since I'm not a game designer, obviously you guys don't have to do it this way, I'm just suggesting a way :) I think Ranked Teambuilder could really improve the behaviors and gameplay of many in ranked. This idea is up for tweaking and changing, if you have a suggestion, feel free to say it, who knows it might help Riot :P (Just be respectful to each other)

  1. **So you'd press the Play button and select Ranked Teambuilder **(I'm guessing it could be solo or duo, with your duo selecting their role while you do)

  2. **Then a menu would come up, letting you choose your role. **Top, Jng, Mid, Adc, or Supp. I understand that this slightly enforces meta, but I mean if you want to do duo top or something like that you could just do it in regular ranked. Plus, nobody does that anyways, because people would be negative about it.

  3. Once you've chosen your role, you'd be immediately sent into Queue to find teammates to fill out the other roles. * (Just like in current TB)*

  4. Once it has found those teammates it will find an opposing team for you, probably all while the queue timer still goes, for simplicity. (similar to the regular TB, only with the queues joined together for simplicity)

  5. Once it's found all 10 players, it's going to have the "Ready or Cancel" popup, if a player declines, the system simply finds a player to fill that role. (nothing new here)

  6. After every player accepts, they will all be sent into the regular draft-mode champion select to choose bans & choose your champions based on the role you chose. ~ I guess for the clarity of knowing who is going where, you could have the roles under/above the Summoner names, or something like that. (only for teammates ofc) ~ I would highly recommend having a "switch roles" option in the champion select, since in regular ranked, people agree to switch sometimes because they see that the enemy chose a champion they aren't good against or something of similar nature. I'm not sure how you could implement that UI-wise, but League's UI is really good, so I'm sure the Rioters in that team could figure something out :) Of course, just like swap-champ option, there would be a "Agree or Decline" option, so that they can't just steal your role without your consent of swapping. Kalista ~ And of course, the swap champions option should still be there, if you want a champ before the other team gets it, but you're last pick!

Some things I'd like to point out before someone mentions them in comments and arguments start:

  • This is a suggestion, not a demand. In no way am I trying to rush Riot, I'm just giving them my opinion on something I'd like. If other players feel differently, then they can post what they'd like in a respectful manner. :)
  • Yes it is possible for someone to say they are going one role, but when the game starts they actually go somewhere else. Thing, people can already do that. But they don't, or at least I haven't seen it. Why? Because it's pointless, especially in TB where you get the role you want ahead of time.
  • My suggestion allows players to choose the role they want, while still having the competitive Ban/Pick draft mode everybody wants. :) If you have any ideas of how we could improve/change the idea, feel free to post your thoughts below.
  • Even though the queue times for more popular roles will be longer (just like in regular TB), I'm sure many players can agree that it is worth the extra time. And if they disagree, then they can just continue to play Regular Ranked.
  • I'm not exactly how League does their ranked/mmr/elo stats, but I'm guessing your rank in TB-Tanked and Regular-Rank would be the same, but the queues will be different. Like I said, I'm definitely no game designer, but this way seems the most simply to me.
  • I understand that adding this mode would break up player bases and extend queue times for players in high-elos who already receive long ones. The only idea I have that could help that situation is disabling Ranked-TB for Diamond or Master+, since the higher elos probably do not fight/argue over roles as much. (Or at least I would hope not) If you have an idea on how to fix it, please post it.

EDIT 1: The idea of Team Builder for Ranked isn't to encourage only being skillful in one role. It's to minimize confusion and fighting over roles in Ranked so that they can focus on more important matters such as countering, synergizing, figuring out what runes/masts to take, and heck even choosing what skin you wanna use. People that want this feature don't want it because they think not playing their main role makes them lose games, they want it because they either have more fun in the role they choose, or they are tired of teammates becoming toxic for the rest of the game because of roles, whether it involved them directly or not. For example, I usually pick support since I main it. I rarely get people wanting it, but when I do I give it to them and that's fine. Unfortunately, my teammates do not have the same mindset. They will be toxic to each other all game, and possibly even purposely throw the game (for example, leading the person into a trap and leaving them to die, purposefully). Basically, Teambuilder for Ranked as a whole is to help the players that simply want to play the game without conflict. I genuinely believe that with TB implemented for Ranked, the amount of conflicts in Champion Select will drop like 80% or more.

  • Yes I know that TB for Ranked doesn't solve all types of problems in Ranked. But that's not the point. The point is to let people play the roles they were born for, without conflict. Simple as that :)

EDIT 2: Guys I honestly don't think the queue time is going to be that bad. In fact it will probably be shorter than what the regular ranked queue will be when they add TB. I mean of course there's more tops and mids than support and jungle and adc, but it's not such a difference that you'd be waiting for 10 minutes.... Keep in mind how many people play League daily. I don't know the exact numbers but I'm guessing it's huge. EDIT 2.5: Yes some players will be boosted slightly mmr wise because they get to choose the role their best at. But there's things that you have to improve regardless of role/rank in order to be considered a high-skill player. For example:

  • Good Decision Making. Doesn't matter if your Katarina mechanics are great, if you make bad decisions constantly (like 1v5ing when you're behind) then you will not win.
  • Adapting to situations. examples include buying the best items based on enemy or ally team, synergizing with your team comp wise, countering enemy, knowing where you should ward based on situation (defensive or aggressive?), the list goes on :P
  • Knowing how to stay positive. Yeah, you might be amazing with your vayne and you're 8/0... but if you're a jerk to your team they might end up throwing because their morale is being destroyed OR they waste time typing toxic things back at you and get themselves killed AKA throwing. I've seen people do this and it is sad.
  • Knowing how to communicate and work together effectively. Once again, you might be 8/0 but if you don't ping, group, work with team to combo, work with team to contest objectives, you could very easily lose the game TLDR; You don't win a game of League just by having good mechanics with one champ in one role, it's so much more than that. TB let's you focus on those other more important things! :)

EDIT 3: If people queueing as one role for short wait time then instalocking another role becomes an actual problem, all Riot would have to do is have a vote report/kick feature. The player kicked wouldn't receive a time penalty to avoid duos kicking for fun. The team that kicked someone would re-queue to fill the role. Seems simple to me; if a Red wants to elaborate on whether this would work or not, they are definitely welcome.

EDIT 4(Important!):

"Fill" Role please, will fit into any role slot and displayed in champion select as "Assigned Role (Filled)." ex. Top Lane (Filled) Jungle (Filled) Mid Lane (Filled) AD Carry (Filled) Support (Filled) Or, even better, instead of selecting a role, you have boxes that you can check for each role, saying that you can play the role if checked, This would allow for how most people play (at least in my experience). ie calling something like "Mid/ADC" or "ADC/Sup" "Jungle/top" etc., while also accommodating people like me who call fill and play anything.

Idea for Edit #4 was posted by eXeTrumpCard.

112 Comments

Star Of Love9 votes

I have been thinking about something like this for a while lol and you have spelled it out quite nicely. I've sometimes been in champion selects where people don't decide on a role until after they have chosen their champion, leading to confusion for the entire team. adding this would be a perfect solution ;) Gj.

CamelSnus2 votes

I really like this post as well. I think a lot of players have the same thought.

Trying to simplify it. Click "Ranked Team Builder" Invite Duo or Solo option. Select roll > Top- Jung- Mid- Adc- Sup- Fill. Click "Ready" fills your team with matching players. Then finds opposing team. You still have the allotted time to discuss pics/bans/strategy. Where the players higher in the queue can pick a different champion than their roll, to swap. Still securing priority pics. Where they can swap with the player they have done so, for.

It sounds so simple to not be in the game already.

I don't like the idea of forcing "meta" rolls either, but that is what ranked 5v5 is for. If you want to try something new or different do it with your friends. The confusion, and forcing players into rolls they are not comfortable in, is a big disadvantage to ranked play.

Good Post, Thank You

Cerbearus3 votes

Sounds along the lines of what i was thinking :D But...still waiting for ranked Dominion............

Civil Dawn2 votes

Thank you for the support :)

A Clan of Babies3 votes

I am waiting for the day this happens

Civil Dawn2 votes

Me too buddy :)

KiserSaySo3 votes

Logged in just to upvote this..

its absolutely ridiculous this hasnt been added to ranked yet. the amount of games lost because of infighting and toxic pregame is only second to AFK's

Janna ADC? nope.. i dont have to queue with that

Vi top ...well i get to make a choice and not be trolled during the middle of champ select. You know... these kind of common sense or logical additions would probably more welcome than some silly skin update or splash art...

but but but ... they are shiny now!!! game play, servers, toxic behaviors...

Thats what people complain about. Not skin updates.

Salzigorimando3 votes

I find it interesting that people are insisting you have to get good at all roles to get to high ranks. YouTube has any number of "get to gold/plat/diamond kat/zed/Lee only" videos. Now realistically you're unlikely to get your champ every time, but between a diamond whose played a bit of everything and a diamond who got there on nothing but mid who's more likely to win mid lane? A good player should have a working knowledge of other roles in relation to their own. You don't need to know how to jungle if you know how to help your jungle when you're mid. You don't need to know how to top as an ADC, but you do need to know how to deal with your foe top and work with your top when the time comes.

The Ellimiist3 votes

This is pretty much what I want exactly. When the only disagreements are opinion based crap like "naw you need 2 play every role in ranked even though anyone good gets the role they want everygame anyways etc" then I think its time to implement ;p

Civil Dawn2 votes

Agreed. I see no reason to be forced to play all roles. I'm great in every role except top (Support being my very best) why should I have to be forced into top lane when I both

  • Don't have fun in that role
  • Am not skillful in that role and probably won't ever be because that playstyle simply is not good for me

Every player has their own playstyle, Ranked Teambuilder lets them capitalize on that playstyle and show everyone what they're good at/love.

The Ellimiist2 votes

Yeah it's like when I played hockey irl. Everyone knows how to play defense, but guess what, when I have a great record playing forward then im obviously going to practice and perfect my role as a forward. If anything the argument should be to have this as a ranked option only and force people to learn new roles in unranked. Competitively it makes more sense to be forced to play your best role than it does to be forced to not play your best role.

Civil Dawn2 votes

I agree entirely.

warpenguin5553 votes

i like how you went into details of how it would work, unlike others that just say riot add it now

Civil Dawn2 votes

Thank you. I spent well over an hour writing it and commenting + adding more information. I appreciate it :)

sungold3 votes

WHAT IF:

  1. you had a preference option button for ranked. > http://s1122.photobucket.com/user/closopes/media/le_zps40f27961.png.html?t=1420992344
  2. you'll chose your preference.
  3. you could have FIVE preferences in order.
  4. you insert** FIVE** or** FOUR preferences your game would take a while to star; THREE, TWO or ONE** preferences chosen would be way faster.
  • just as an example: prefer: jungle top) you q up for a ranked game duo or solo.
  1. The ranked will match you with other players in a certain order of preference in a game with the basic 5 lane meta: this mean you’ll be playing your preference more often and if lost this would determine your skill like a system counting how many times you lose on your chosen preference.
sungold2 votes

forgot to mention that the first step could be optional, what you guys think?

Duobyte2 votes

No absolutely not. The point of soloq is to measure individual skill in carrying a team to victory. This isn't a fary tale where you always get your role and champion. If you think that trolls or people that don't let you play your main role are making you lose games, then you deserve to be at that rank.

This has been suggested many times before and I hope it NEVER gets implemented.

P.S. I am BEGGING for downvotes because one trick trashes would LOVE this idea. People are too stubborn to learn other roles, why should they be rewarded?

Bolwinkel5 votes

{quoted}

No absolutely not. The point of soloq is to measure individual skill in carrying a team to victory. This isn't a fary tale where you always get your role and champion. If you think that trolls or people that don't let you play your main role are making you lose games, then you deserve to be at that rank.

This has been suggested many times before and I hope it NEVER gets implemented.

P.S. I am BEGGING for downvotes because one trick trashes would LOVE this idea. People are too stubborn to learn other roles, why should they be rewarded?

Say you pick at the same time as someone but you have pick order over them. You both want mid and the last thing that is open is support and neither of you want to go support. The person who you have pick order over will instalock in their mid champ and you will be forced to go support because of the summoner code. With the idea for this everyone gets the role they want and there is no fighting. There is no instalocking jerks who will say "We pick at the same time and i called it first".

Duobyte3 votes

Then you suck it up and go support since a GOOD player should have knowlage to play every role at an equal level. I don't go into soloq with a fixed idea of playing 1 champion and 1 role. If I want to play a certain champion or a certain role I would just play normal blind pick. Usually people there are quite nice, well unless your normal mmr is shit.

Thryale7 votes

That's why the pro lcs players only play one role right? It's really stupid to think it's possible to play every single role, (which means dozens of different champs) at an equal -competitive- level. If anyone were to do so, that would make them the exception (on genius/savant levels) not the norm.

Most diamond players only have diamond skills in 1 maybe 2 roles. If they were to play any other role, they would be playing at a plat, or even gold skill level. And that just won't fly in a diamond match. They will merely exist doing what they can while they hope their team is capable of carrying them due to the fact that they are playing against diamond skill level opponents.

So sure, you can play all the roles, but if you don't have one role you excel in, you'll just be dead weight for your team due to not having any particular strength to contribute when strength is needed.

Civil Dawn2 votes

I agree entirely with Theryale.

Sammystorm1 votes

A pro as you use the example for can literally play every role better then most people. They can play their role and be in like the top 10 in the country for their role. On top of that. They have the knowledge they need for every role. Now even diamonds could smoke pretty much everyone except diamonds and above in any role. Knowing and being able to play every role proficiently provides crucial information for your main role. A few basic examples. If you never jungle you could leave your self more open to ganks then you would need to because you don't understand where gank paths are what the jungler can do. etc. To say a diamond couldn't carry with any role down in gold or even low plat is really silly. They just know more about the game and every lane in the game and they know how to use/abuse the knowledge. I mean another example is the gap between gold and silver. In low silver people don't know what to do with leads. In low gold games start to end quicker and the further up you go the harder it is to come back from games because people have more knowledge about what is important and what is not and how to use it.

Thryale2 votes

please note I said "competitively" anyone can "play" a role. But no one can be competitive at all roles, not without giving up skill in another role to practice the new one. It doesn't matter if a pro can play all 5 roles better than me. I am not at his level, so that doesn't mean anything. Ranked is a competitive game mode. Meaning you bring your best, because that is what your opponents are going to do. If a pro is playing at a plat level in a challenger match due to not playing his primary role, he is going to get crushed.

Also, the higher up in ranked you get, the more important little skill differences matter. This is because as you climb, everyone is starting to understand more about the game and what can be punished. Which means that smaller mistakes and smaller weakness are being capitalized on more often.

Also, many challener streamers and pros alike have stated that if you want to climb ranked then you should find 1-3 champs you really synergize with, master them, and play that champ as often as you can,

Sammystorm1 votes

yes you are correct in all of those things. Notice you also made the claim that diamond players probably are gold or plat tier in other roles. I was addressing that.

The realize the pros said "if you want to climb rank" that is important. It means that playing your best 3 champions in ranked will improve your rank and how fast you climb.

However I would also add that if you want to get better at the game playing a variety of champions will do that for you.

Pros don't play only 3 champions in a lcs split. They play a lot. So to get better at the game you need to have as much information as possible. That and practice.

kitcat3005 votes

I was in support of this idea for a while, but one thing bothers me. Now everyone will go into ranked with the sole intention of only playing one role/champion, which will cause wait times to shoot up.

The one good thing with the current system is that your encouraged to have at least a working knowledge of all the roles, so in an ideal scenario, there aren't any shortages of the dreaded support role cause at least one person** HAS** to do it.

Plus, rankings would lose some value because now they go from "I'm a diamond player" to "I'm only diamond as support."

Bolwinkel5 votes

{quoted}

I was in support of this idea for a while, but one thing bothers me. Now everyone will go into ranked with the sole intention of only playing one role/champion, which will cause wait times to shoot up.

The one good thing with the current system is that your encouraged to have at least a working knowledge of all the roles, so in an ideal scenario, there aren't any shortages of the dreaded support role cause at least one person** HAS** to do it.

Plus, rankings would lose some value because now they go from "I'm a diamond player" to "I'm only diamond as support."

You realize that the lanes get chosen first and then once a team of 5 is found it goes into the normal draft mode with bans and everything.

Sammystorm1 votes

So it adds to a longer queue time. Make ranked less valuable because people won't even have mastery of their lane any more but just one champion. On top of that it adds to a already long pre game.

Civil Dawn5 votes

People already do that. Most Diamond players are mastered in only one or two roles, and plat or even gold level in the rest. I don't see what's so bad about that. Certain playstyles are not for everyone. For example, I highly dislike playing as a top laner because I very much dislike the melee bruiser/tank playstyle. I'm sure other players can relate with other roles. Where as other roles such as mid or support, I can directly help my team from a distance. That's my playtyle, with a few exceptions here and there.

Why should anyone be forced to play a role they don't have any enjoyment in and don't have the right playstyle for the role?

If you want to force the ideals of what a "good" player should be onto another player, you're basically turning this game into a job. Unenjoyable and without any choices or say in a matter. Kalista

Sammystorm1 votes

Well you could literally play 1 champion. SO instead of having people in diamond or master tier that are "mid lane mains" we will have high diamonds that are "syndra mains" It removes aspects of the game completely because people have less to master when they can pick the same champion every game.

Also a lot of posts in this thread and others like are unwilling to compromise what so ever and instead give off the vibe or say "my way or the high way" I get it you value different aspects then I do. That is normal and fine. However their is most a certainly a better way then team builder. Team builder alienates a lot of people doesn't solve any meaningful problems and adds longer queue times. Does the current system need to be looked at? yes. I see a lot of problems with the current system that could be fixed by team builder. However I also see a whole host of new problems that a team builder system would create. I do not think that is a good trade. problem for (in my opinion) even worse problems.

Civil Dawn1 votes

Except that the players that want Teambuilder are probably double or more the people that don't want it... And if you don't want it then you don't have to play it. Nobody is forcing you... Why should you force everyone else to suffer while you steal their role, just because a few players are impatient and can't tab out while waiting or something.... I'd gladly wait 10 minutes everygame if I knew my teammates wouldn't throw the game because they didn't get to pick the role they enjoy the most and if I knew I wouldn't have to deal with absolutely awful Duo-Botlanes stealing my support role, then being awful at the role. Of course this system has problems, but everything in League has problems already, what's so bad about this... Why can't we be Ranked on the roles we care about rather than enforcing pointless "you need to play everything" when it's clear that professional players and Ranked Teams all have assigned roles that they excel at and want to practice to perform at.

Basically the people that don't want TB prefer quantity of games, even if they were worthless trash games where you learned nothing because everyone was busy raging, over quality of games where you waited for 5 minutes but you did really well and you learned a lot. I don't understand this mindset.. If you can't give up 5 minutes to get the role(s) you want, in order to climb, then you shouldn't even be playing Ranked at all.

If you can come up with a better way to give the people what they deserve, then be my guest, but I spent several hours on my suggestion and I'm going to continue to stand by it because it's what 80% of the players want, including myself. Why? Because I made this thread to see if anybody had any ideas they could add into my suggestion to tweak the already-made idea for TB. I did not make this thread to debate whether TB itself is a good idea. If you seriously have a problem with something that wouldn't even affect you if you don't use it, then make your own thread with a poll. I'm sure the results will tell you want most players want: change.

Sammystorm1 votes

You have 0 basis on how many people actually want this. You are making claims that double the player base wants yet you literally can not know that. This post is not a good sample and a lot of people visit boards every day and most do not even post on threads like this or if they don't agree don't see the point because they will be down voted to oblivion. Also you are assuming that people like me don't support this because we want to play more games and sacrifice quality. We don't. A lot of us see a lot of problems and don't see a whole lot being fixed AND adding huge queue times and a large amount spent in pre game lobby. if you are playing a popular role. You are also claiming that I have a problem with something that doesn't affect me. It does. Longer queue time directly affects me. Having a worse ranked ladder affects me.

Now if this is implemented you are forcing longer queue times on every one who doesn't want them. Why should I have to wait 10 minutes for a game just because you think this will improve the quality of games? I still do not think this will help the quality of games at all. It is accomplishing something that is already accomplished in most pre game lobbies already. Do I know the solution. no. Is this a good solution? no. You need to come up with something new that allows people to agree and or actually solves problems not "fix" problems that are already dealt with in pre game lobbies.

Civil Dawn1 votes

Ok I'm sorry for accusing you, it was rude of me. However I said that i do not want to debate with you about whether TB itself is good for Ranked at all, yet you continue to attack my (combined with others') ideas. We're all victims in ranked here, I'm just trying to step up and voice my opinion on how we can change ranked for the better. All you're doing is cutting down our ideas, and not suggesting any way to improve ranked yourself. Which helps absolutely nobody.

Just saying all the possible negatives of something and saying it's not going to work, but not trying to suggest any alternative does not help anybody. It doesn't improve the system. Had you tried to suggest an alternative, I would have reacted entirely different. But yeah, if you have an alternative please tell us. Nobody is going to downvote spam you if your arguement/suggestion is valid, fair, and well written. For example, if I hadn't of gone into actual details of my suggestion, (like if all I said was Rito Pls) I might have been downvoted a lot.

Also ranked-tb wouldn't affect you if you choose to play regular ranked rather than tb when you queue. I wrote that I didn't want Riot to replace regular ranked, just as an option because many players highly dislike the current state of ranked.

And to be honest I'm not really wrong with how many people are in favor of TB (or at least change similar to it). If you look at all the comments and upvotes there are in favor of TB, you'll see a lot of positivity towards the idea. But if you have a better alternative then go ahead and say it, you aren't helping anybody by not. :/

Sammystorm1 votes

I keep under cutting it for a variety of reasons but mainly because I can not think of better system nor have I seen a better system then what is already in place. Perhaps season 2 version is better then the current but I am not even sure on that.

Again. Rank tb would affect me even if I never touched the mode. It splits the ranked player base added queue times or it replaces ranked and probably still adds queue time and puts into place a ladder I disagree with.

Also you can't judge the popularity of a idea by the number of positive posts. It doesn't represent the league community as a whole. It represents a subset of people that visit boards which in turn is a subset of the entire league population. Also you only have 49 upvotes. That is not that large of a number. That means only 49 people more people agreed with you then disagreed with you. Again upvotes and posts are not a good way to gauge the over all feel of the league population. I could post a nerf lee sin or zed thread and probably get a lot of up votes. Does that mean the entire population or even a majority agree with me? No it doesn't.

Now you want me to suggest a alternate ranked mode I suppose. Remove promos and show your elo score. I think the ranked queue is a lot better now. Maybe keep promos moving from one tier to the next (IE moving from silver 1 to gold 5)

Thryale8 votes

nowhere in the summoner's code does it dictate that you have to have a support in bot lane. Nor does the summoner's code dictate that you absolutely cannot have 2 mid laners. it is only your preconceived perception of how the game should be played that 1 mid laner and 2 bot laners(adc/supp) must be played.

The summoner's code does dictate that you behave in a sportsman like manner. That means treating your teammates with respect. That does not mean you have to agree with them, nor do you have to bow down to their wishes.

If you fully believe that the best way for you to win the game is to go mid, then go mid. If someone else in that very same match also believes the best way for them to win is for them to go mid, they should go mid. I've won several ranked matches in the past where this very situation has happened. There is more than one way to win this game. The laning phase is only 10-15 min long. After that it's all about rotations, objectives, and team fights.

The most important period of the game is between the 15 and 30 min mark of the game. That's when ppl are getting out of the laning phase and begin establishing map control. The sooner you establish map control the less the laning phase will actually matter.

In my most recent match, I sucked. I flat out sucked. But, we were soundly winning despite me going 3/18 (and worse) due to having map control. The reason we lost was because in the last moments of the game, our team communication broke down and the enemy made a baron steal.

So honestly, if you believe that you have the strength to win, win. Don't concern yourself with what your teammates do. Focus on what you need to do to win the game. Focus on what matters, don't be distracted by unnecessary things. BUT at the same time, don't disrespect your fellow teammates.

Sammystorm1 votes

this doesn't happen nearly as often as people claim it does. Most people that play this game are decent rational beings. the few that fuck up games are more likely to stick with us in our memory. SO we make a bigger deal out of those games then the ones where we have awesome team mates.

Also people are not querenteed to get their roles even if team builder is implemented. It is basically the equivalent of typing in "mid pls" or whatever. People can still pick and go wherever. Also what if someone puts down fill preference but is first pick and they take someone else's role? last pick still gets screwed or hte scenario you just said could still happen.

I mean what is the point of something like this? most teams already come to some conclusion before champion picks happen and even if they don't team builder probably wouldn't have helped it anyways.

Civil Dawn1 votes

Read to the bottom of my post and you'll see I added simple solutions to this "issue"

Sammystorm1 votes

None of this seems simple. I have read your entire post multiple times and it seems to bring up many problems and to be honest too make solo queue even less user friendly in terms of how to tell what rank you actually are. It also seems to be more complex despite the fact that the problem it addresses is already addressed.

Nakawaka3 votes

{quoted}

No absolutely not. The point of soloq is to measure individual skill in carrying a team to victory. This isn't a fary tale where you always get your role and champion. If you think that trolls or people that don't let you play your main role are making you lose games, then you deserve to be at that rank.

This has been suggested many times before and I hope it NEVER gets implemented.

P.S. I am BEGGING for downvotes because one trick trashes would LOVE this idea. People are too stubborn to learn other roles, why should they be rewarded?

There can be stats for inidvidual roles.

Like you are gold 2 for mid and silver 1 for support or something

Civil Dawn3 votes

I like your idea. I just wonder if that would be too complicated to implement. But yeah I would be totally ok with that. I quite frankly don't care if it says I'm unranked in Top. I want everyone to know I'm Plat in Support, because that role is perfect to my playstyle.

Thryale1 votes

perhaps it could give you multiple rankings. Your general ranking is an average of all your other rankings type of thing?

Like, I could be a gold mid, a bronze jungle, a silver top, silver adc, and silver support. My general ranking would be silver, if ppl lolking me or somethin, they'd be able to instantly see what I'm best and worst at and whatnot.

Civil Dawn3 votes

Yeah, and if they implement that they could also have it so we cna set our "Favorite" role. The rank of that role will be your "main" rank in a way

Bikinifriday2 votes

I agree 100% OP and have thought the same thing myself. Random pick order is stupid. Sometimes being forced into roles you don't like, you don't main, and you don't know how to play well is stupid.

Rest assured Riot has thought of this as well but why they don't implement it is beyond me.

Jolly Rogered1 votes

The main reason I don't play in ranked is do to all the little kids crying about not getting the champ/role they wanted. It also took too long to get a game going, then someone leaves and it starts all over again.

Civil Dawn3 votes

With Teambuilder Ranked, you wouldn't have to deal with the complaining. :) Someone still might dodge every once in a while for whatever reason, but the amount of dodges will probably be less simply because every has their role.

S H A Y C 01 votes

It is a pretty simplistic way to implement a team builder for ranked, the only problem as with anything in this game is still going to be trolls. I for one cant wait to have someone queue up as a jungle and hard lock something retarded like janna or soraka and screw my promos, but there is no way around that so i still give you a thumbs up.

Civil Dawn2 votes

Indeed, thank you :)

S H A Y C 02 votes

The more i think about it your idea is not only the simplest and quickest to implement because it is essentially a "team builder PRE-Queue" it is actually the best possibly scenario. Since the idea is to build a "team" quick and dirty, this would give people a chance to work out strategy, talk about picks and bans, champion pools, general strategy for the bot lane, i.e "play passive till 6 or gank" or "shove wave all in on lvl 2" maybe even get everybody on curse or skype or anything like that before the match. then when everybody is ready they can queue for a n actual match.

Although now i think i may have skimmed a bit quickly and misread, but perhaps a pre queue scenario like i thought it was would be the cock of the walk. what do you think?

Civil Dawn3 votes

Agreed, and thank you for your support. I definitely think it's probably the best way to do Ranked-TB (I sat down and brainstormed different possible ways before I wrote my original post). Of course I still had to make a disclaimer that I'm demanding it be done this way, and that it's up for tweaking, since I don't want people to get the wrong impression.

And I'm really glad you saw the potential in the fact that we have more time to discuss/set up actual strategies in CS rather than arguing about roles :) That's definitely one of the reasons why I like the idea of this for Ranked.

TheTrumpCard1 votes

"Fill" Role please, will fit into any role slot and displayed in champion select as "Assigned Role (Filled)."

ex. Top Lane (Filled) Jungle (Filled) Mid Lane (Filled) AD Carry (Filled) Support (Filled)

Or, even better, instead of selecting a role, you have boxes that you can check for each role, saying that you can play the role if checked, This would allow for how most people play (atleast in my experience). ie calling something like "Mid/ADC" or "ADC/Sup" "Jungle/top" etc., while also accomodating people like me who call fill and play anything.

Civil Dawn2 votes

Very good idea! I'll add this to the main post with your name as credit for the idea. I appreciate your support :)

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