New Zilean passive, Q feel and responsiveness tuning, rec item pages for each role

Riot20thCenturyFaux·10/13/2015, 3:11:15 AM·132 votes·72,755 views

It's time for time!

Zilean's passive has been a weak point for a while now, and his Q had numerous little things that felt "off" about it. Those are past-tense sentiments. When the PBE updates, the new stuff will be in! This update is all about visceral satisfaction. The Q should feel better to use and the passive gives allies XP in a much more hands-on way. If any of you fine folks have the chance to check it out on the PBE, I'd love to hear what you think!

For Time Bomb, we've updated the attach logic, tweaked the animation timing, given it a new attach particle, fixed a bug where it would appear to 'flicker' on landing, and generally made the way it interacts with the game world more consistent and satisfying. None of these changes by themselves are likely to stand out, but taken together they should improve the experience of using Time Bomb significantly.

For the passive, it's new! Behold!

Time in a Bottle

Zilean stores time as Experience at a rate of X per 5 seconds.

When he has enough Experience to finish an ally's level, he can right-click them to impart it. Zilean receives as much Experience as he gives. Cannot be used in combat.

Does what it says on the tin. While the passive is off cooldown, Zilean sees indicators letting him know how much more XP he needs to finish someone's level; when he has enough, there's a line indicator to show him he can activate it. Hi-five a level into your buddies! Zilean gains the same XP as he gives and banks XP faster the higher level he is, so he wants to use it as often as he can. By being higher level mid lane he has slightly more XP to hand out, by being with an ADC bot lane he has persistent access to an ally. At level 18 Zilean no longer needs any XP for himself so the amount he gifts his allies effectively doubles.

These changes help establish Zilean's identity, both thematically and in gameplay. Thematically, Zilean's typically had a lot of interesting and unique elements, but has fallen short of the epic power expressive of time magic. Some of his spells do reach that height--Chronoshift, the Time Bomb stun, and to a lesser extent the 99% value on Time Warp. By giving him direct, visceral control over one of the fundamental forces of the game, he solidifies the stature that befits him as a time mage.

In gameplay, Zilean's support side excels against assassins/divers and in a protect the carry role; in this, he is typically overshadowed by Lulu, who shares his solo/bot switch capability and who can defend her ADC without the dps interruption that Chronoshift's revive brings. His utility mage side often overlaps with Orianna, a perennial generalist who can provide utility from a carry role and who also capitalizes on melee teammates. Between these two, Zilean's unique elements are his superior synergy with juggernauts via Time Warp, his amazing lategame control scaling, his massive zone control (compared to Lulu), and his mid-game roaming (compared to Orianna).

Time in a Bottle gives him a capability that's totally unique in its own right and further accents the things that separate him from other champs. Juggernauts typically care about levels much more than ADCs and the passive rewards him for roaming. It won't solve all of Zilean's challenges, but it helps the time mage float in the right direction.

Lastly, we've added a rec item page for mid; players can toggle between the mid and support rec items by clicking the down arrow on the tab title. The mid page displays by default--generally, the newer players are the ones who use rec items and mid lane is a much more forgiving place to play the Zilsta.

Foxy grandpa indeed. All this stuff will be on the PBE soon, I'm especially eager to hear how the changes feel in live games!

243 Comments

Shadow Gilgamesh10/13/2015, 3:15:15 AM142 votes

Mordekaiser + Zilean lane inbound, have fun with level 6 Mordekaiser while you're level like 3.

Insane Pyromanic10/13/2015, 3:36:05 AM34 votes

Well now I know who bakes those rare candies that I feed to my magikarps. Zilean

OverpoweredSoap10/13/2015, 3:12:33 AM30 votes

This sounds like something that will stupid strong or stupid weak, honestly.

I'm going to reread it to see if I missed anything, though.

Glad you guys are taking a look at Zilean!

EDIT: Talking about the two different recommend pages thing, are you guys going to start doing this with other mages/supports too?

For example, Karma? I hate when I play her mid and the support recommended page is there , searching for items kind of wastes some time.

TotalJerk10/13/2015, 8:45:28 AM27 votes

I like that he's finally getting an updated passive. But I would've preferred you scrapped the XP idea entirely instead of reworking it.

ValuedCustomer10/13/2015, 6:16:44 AM27 votes

I thinks a Kindred mark bar would make more sense for this new passive than right-clicking. This would allow an ally with sufficient experience to light up immediately and be easier to spot and select.

Audiomancy10/13/2015, 12:33:21 PM20 votes

I'm a little annoyed that it still won't do much when everyone's Level 18, but it will definitely be fun giving your jungler an incentive to gank your lane.

XinZhao: Zil, if I gank mid, will you level me up? Zilean: Make it two ganks and a blue buff and you got yourself a deal.

Remlap122310/13/2015, 5:32:53 AM17 votes

Anyone want to bet that when this makes Morde the most OP champ in the game's history that Zilean will get nerfed first?

GankLord10/13/2015, 5:43:39 AM13 votes

What about my baby Zyra we Zyra mains that stay true to her true role of a mid laner are crying out for a better passive.

Photos of Ghosts10/13/2015, 9:20:44 AM12 votes

Can his time warp heal allies for 1 HP so that he can make use of Ardent Censer?

xkg10/13/2015, 6:17:58 AM10 votes

Since you're changing some things in him, can you give him the can't killean the zilean dance? That would be such a cool reference.

Mody bird10/13/2015, 3:21:28 AM9 votes

no, please no. Mordekaiser + Zilean = insta win

noobule10/13/2015, 4:32:26 AM9 votes

Will this work with AFKs? If you've got someone AFK all game can you bottle them up five levels in one go?

MFG Colour10/13/2015, 5:36:31 AM7 votes

Why not be creative and give him something not related to xp? This is just let's pick an all in bot lane (graves and zil) free level 6 + stun there you go. All you have done is make it a cheese passive that falls off when you group and then shares the problem of useless in the super late

DrWafercookies10/13/2015, 3:19:21 AM7 votes

As a Zilean main currently, this is a pretty awesome change I'm looking at. Might start taking him mid more as well because of this. He rocks the current meta (slow, kitable bruisers and juggernauts) both supporting those types and countering them. I hope to get to rock him even more effectively right now.

Malicious Fury10/13/2015, 4:53:22 AM5 votes

I thought one of the major complaints about his old passive was that it was useless at level 18. Isn't it still useless since you can't gain exp any more?

Adalore10/13/2015, 3:20:26 AM4 votes

Give it to me. GIVE IT TO ME.

I had started playing zilean so much after the juggernaut patch just due to that control.

Now only if I could get it across some players that I can't do much until level 4... (Q w q e rank up route)

iHeyt10/13/2015, 2:32:12 PM3 votes

So, what about Zil passive after level 18?

Shénzhì10/13/2015, 10:09:22 AM3 votes

{quoted}

While the passive is off cooldown, Zilean sees indicators letting him know how much more XP he needs to finish someone's level; when he has enough, there's a line indicator to show him he can activate it. Hi-five a level into your buddies!

Clarification

  • Is the stored XP limitless?
  • Does the stored XP consume all stored XP upon leveling-up an ally? (excess deleted; restart XP pool)

{quoted}

Zilean gains the same XP as he gives and banks XP faster the higher level he is, so he wants to use it as often as he can. By being higher level mid lane he has slightly more XP to hand out, by being with an ADC bot lane he has persistent access to an ally.

Jungler is passing by mid-lane Zilean but does not know Zilean can up his/her game!

Communcation

  • Does the ally also receive an indicator saying 'go to Zilean for XP'?
  • Could this indicator on Zilean's ally screens be informative?

{quoted}

So..... is Zilean 's new passive useless after level 18?

Rito WTF?

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Meep Man10/13/2015, 1:18:55 PM3 votes

Who will this synergize really well with?

  1. Late Game Casters
  2. Caster Marksman
  3. Mordekaiser
  4. Lane Bullies that Rely on Ultimate

Akali Annie Ashe Caitlyn Corki Darius Ezreal Garen Gnar Graves Heimerdinger Jax Kalista Karthus Kassadin Katarina Kayle Kennen KogMaw Leblanc Lucian Malzahar MissFortune Mordekaiser Nasus Nocturne Poppy Quinn To name the first few

lofi n chillhop10/13/2015, 3:19:06 AM2 votes

I'm glad he's getting some buffs.

IDK you say "can't be used in combat" I mean this sorta makes sense but, does it count the teamate in combat to? do they get any indication you can level them up? because I'd hat to think that I could use the boost, but can't because my adc is last hitting and not stopping long enough for me to high-five her...

Bârd10/13/2015, 3:36:39 AM2 votes

Can zilean finish his own levels?

3tyson10/13/2015, 3:32:07 AM1 votes

what about the mord zilean combo isnt this going to be ridiclouse op mord is already fast at lvl 6 with zilean now uf he gets even more xp isnt this going to be a verry imballanced combo?

ModAcademy Kayn10/13/2015, 4:16:13 AM1 votes

Is there a range to that passive, or can he level a top laner while mid?

Also, sorry for being this guy, but any news on any Syndra passive changes? There was talk about it but it was shelved because lcs balance stuff idk. Would love to hear anything about it.