Scarizard's rant on Shyvana is the most accurate thing I've ever read

Kadexe·4/19/2018, 10:44:09 PM·6 votes·2,607 views

ScarizardPlays's comment from discussion "Hey r/lol! I'm Scarizard, former designer, host, & Patch Notes Comedian at Riot Games. Today I'm launching a YT channel to work on entertaining and educational League content. AMA!"

Shyvana's an abomination of game design because she just runs at you, has never not run at you, will never not run at you, and has no pretense of actual skill it takes to do it. Over the years we all just kept hiding different damage numbers and on-hits on random abilities or conditions and at least once a year, the items hit a point where anyone who wants free LP can put down their main, pick her, and just run at people even though she 'doesn't do anything'.

21 Comments

ZephyrDrake4/19/2018, 11:59:46 PM7 votes

Then you realize that same thing can be said about a ton of other champions who just run at you and hit you in the face really hard over and over

Big Lincoln4/19/2018, 10:47:52 PM5 votes

scarizard is mad cuz outplayed by shyvana

Slythion4/20/2018, 12:03:23 AM4 votes

Olaf Olaf Olaf Olaf Olaf Olaf Olaf

DrMundo DrMundo DrMundo DrMundo DrMundo DrMundo DrMundo

Garen Garen Garen Garen Garen Garen Garen

etc

Death by Glamour4/19/2018, 11:34:40 PM3 votes

Hows is this different to garen, volibear or udyr?

OnanThaMan4/19/2018, 11:53:32 PM3 votes

He lost all credibility when called Zoe good game design. Old Nid was removed for a reason and they put her back in with upgrades in the form of Zoe. Shyvana does need an update though, such a wasted thematic with her current kit.

PapaGreg214/21/2018, 1:06:22 PM1 votes

Like everyone else said, this is true of all the juggernauts and judging from how these champions do in top lane when matched against each other, Shyvana is probably the weakest of all of them or else she would be outdueling Garen, Darius, Olaf, etc. Even the champs like Master Yi and Tryndamere don't take all that much skill shot expression to attack you. This is typical garbage commentary from high ELO players that think every champ should be street fighter combo complex and that there shouldn't be anybody for people that just like to pick up the game once every few weeks and enjoy themselves at a competitive level.

Linna Excel4/20/2018, 12:03:46 AM1 votes

Volibear and Udyr are the same thing. Garen is worse.

BobaFlautist4/20/2018, 12:32:41 AM1 votes

Don't forget this gem:

"Xayah's damage is super obtuse and her cheaty Q-E bullshit means that character looks like she does no damage until she rips apart your whole team. i hate this stupid champion and her awful clarity and yet characters like lucian gotta sit in the corner for a fucking year if he's good for like a single patch"

All my problems with Xayah I didn't know how to articulate.

Teridax684/20/2018, 2:52:24 AM1 votes

So this is how a Riot designer speaks without a filter. I have to say, I'm looking forward to seeing more comments like these from Scarizard.

I also agree on the assessment about Shyvana. She has a bajillion different sources of on-hit damage and on-hit buffs to her abilities, along with three different layers of empowerments in her kit, but at the end of the day, all of that complexity generates only a minuscule amount of depth. There is no real choice to how she plays (she runs at you, uses all of their abilities as soon as they're available, keeps on autoattacking you, and repeats until you or she dies), and not that much interesting counterplay to her either (you stay out of range and she's fucked, otherwise you're dead), so there's a lot to be improved in Shyvana's gameplay. It's also worth noting that her dragon form just makes her stronger at everything she does already, instead of truly adding all that much extra gameplay, so if she's to receive changes in the future, they should likely aim to a) tone down the number of redundant mechanics she's been given over time, and b) focus on having each part of her kit contribute something interesting, ideally something that gives both her and her opponent a diversity of choices.

Aezanthya4/20/2018, 6:19:45 PM1 votes

Well at least she auto you to death in melee. Adc been doing what she does at range with lol 1k+ crit