is currently sitting at a 47%WR top with a 45% WR in Mid and Jungle. I think its time to address the fact that his kit needs a rework so that building AP is actually rewarding to pull off, cause as it currently stands hes better as tank and the last set of nerfs killed his jungle clear and made it so that his AP build is even weaker past the early game.
doubleguac3 votesA lot of people talk about Ekko as an assassin. He's honestly more of a "light fighter" than an assassin. His kit is more similar to Fiora's than Zed's or Khazix's.
Like Fiora, he's extremely mobile, has clutch survival tools, and lacks burst, but can hit-and-run well, and deal a lot of sustained damage.
The thing is, Fiora has gone through a similar cycle. She built almost straight tank (with 1-2 bruiser items) and crushed people. She was incredibly slippery and almost impossible to peel. After months of nerfs, the tank build seems pretty much dead, but it doesn't seem like Fiora has any build to fall back on. People didn't switch from the bruiser build to a more damage-oriented build, they just stopped playing her altogether.
Even Yi (another light fighter) is in a similar boat. Once the tank build was really killed, he disappeared back into obscurity. Although losing devourer is also clearly a factor here.
A lot of people point to Ekko's crowd control as the problem. But a lot of the other light fighters seem to be in the same boat, despite lacking Ekko's CC.
The light fighter class just isn't working. Players are either face-rolling with much heavier item sets than Riot intended, or not picking the champions at all. I don't know why that is, but it doesn't seem like the problem is unique to Ekko.
I think Riot needs to look at the class as a whole and figure out a way to make a light, hit-and-run kit actually work as intended.
BloodyTompon1 votesThis. a) he isn't an assassin. b) it's not an Ekko specific problem.
Wînter Fox1 votesThis.
The fighter/assassin class of champions have always been in this catch 22. 
is the perfect example. Too much damage and people feel like "they have too much offense for this level of survivability!" Too much defense and people feel like "they have too much survivability for this level of offense!" Not enough of one or the other though makes them completely unviable. If Riven isn't tanky enough there's 0 reason to play her when Rengar, Zed, and Kha'Zix are much better assassins. And if Riven doesn't have enough damage there's 0 reason to play her because Darius, Renekton, and Mundo make much better defensive fighters.
Itemization is probably the best way to solve this. You need attractive "hybrid" items that have both defense and offense. Riot has started doing with 
this season, which is a good start. That way we don't have Ekko having to build Sunfire or Riven having to build Infinity Edge in order to feel relevant.
Mandang01 votesThe light fighter class just isn't working. Players are either face-rolling with much heavier item sets than Riot intended, or not picking the champions at all. I don't know why that is, but it doesn't seem like the problem is unique to Ekko.
I think Riot needs to look at the class as a whole and figure out a way to make a light, hit-and-run kit actually work as intended.
I think it's too early to say that.
Why would anyone make the damage/durability tradeoff for Fiora when they can get both by playing Ekko? I'm optimistic that the light fighter class will work (or can be adjusted to do so), but only once Riot gets rid of these Frankenstein builds.
71883083DEL12 votesMaybe you guys should stop screaming nerf when a champion gets broken, give valuable thought instead of rushing the devs? Just my opinion
Lady Hammerlock2 votesMaybe you guys should stop screaming nerf when a champion gets broken, give valuable thought instead of rushing the devs? Just my opinion
how was the community rushing riot? ekko was sitting above 50% win rate for so long,the tank variety of course
Avarosa Guide Me2 votesWin rate doesn't mean shit for how strong a champion is. Galio currently has a 53% win rate. If anyone thinks Galio is actually broken wait to sober up.
redniwediS1 votesSometimes you have to break something before it can be rebuilt. It might take a while but Riot will get Ekko figured out.
King of Mongoose1 votesthey need to stop changing stuff besides base damages and scalings. changes lockdown times of passive and w stun length still hurts ap ekko
JamesTheMage171 votesEkko is broken and needed that nerf. He is balanced now compared to other assassin/fighters.
Woook3r1 votesIve been saying this for a while.
Narvuntien1 votesI think what should happen is the the % hp ability is removed and replaced with AP based damage.
BloodyTompon1 votesIt already is ap based
Narvuntien1 votesIt already is ap based
So it is.... I'd make it only AP based
I can't find how much damage Z drive does anywhere though... that is odd... "bonus damage"
BloodyTompon1 votesdeal 20 - 190 (based on level) (+ 80% AP) magic damage to the target, applying spell effects and slowing them by 30 / 40 / 50 / 60% for 2 / 2.5 / 3 seconds. Against enemy champions, Ekko also gains Z-Drive Resonance 2 50 / 60 / 70 / 80% bonus movement speed for 2 / 2.5 / 3 seconds.
From the wiki. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ekko
Sicarius Æternum1 votesI think the hesitation that riot has with fully reworking ekko is pretty justified though. He is a relatively new champ, and because he went in a different direction from where they wanted him to go, they are just sorta confuzled with how to deal with him. They put alot of working releasing him in the first place, and probably don't want to scrap something like his awesome and unique ultimate, and his kit was initially built around being an ap assassin, which obviously hasn't worked out for some reason.
JafarThePanda1 votesEkko is still ridiculous but you know, you're pulling win rates from low elo so no one's convinced.
SeXyMuFfiNdaGoD1 votesIts Plat+ that these WR come from. I'm finding it quite hard to play AP in his current state and if you check out all of the Master/Challenger+ players they have already dropped him for the next set of OP champs. I think I managed to find 1 Korean mid in masters who had decent success with him going 
. As someone who has mained him before his buffs, he took a massive hit to his jungle clear with the Passive CD nerf so now he takes way too much damage in his first clear especially if your going fullAP TLD.
LankPants1 votesRiot should probably just deliver one last swift kick to his crotch to make sure he doesn't see play again and put him in line behind Yorick and Ryze, it's where he belongs anyway.
jusho11 votesthe truth is they wanted ekko to be an assassin but his kit does not support that. assassins job is to get into a fight do damage and get out OR move all around in a fight. in order for ekko to land his stun or his ult in a big fight he needs to get in the fight and stay it or pop in run hop they cross paths with your lil ghost and then ult in with no escape.
his kit just does not support assassin
Cubíx1 votesPatch 5.12 was the rise of tankko so if riot wants to buff ap maybe reverting some of the nerfs that he got in this patch.
For reference this was the patch: V5.12
Stats Mana growth increased to 50 from 40. Attack speed reduced to 0.625 from 0.644 Attack delay increased to 0 from -0.03 Attack speed growth increased to 3.3% from 3.
Z-Drive Resonance Damage reduced to 10 (+ 10 per level) from 15 (+ 12 per level)
Timewinder Outgoing damage AP ratio reduced to (+ 10% AP) from (+ 20% AP) Total AP ratio reduced to (+ 70% AP) from (+ 80% AP)
Chronobreak Cost increased to 100 at all ranks from 0. Damage radius reduced to 375 from 400.
Br4ndon1 votesDo you think Riot would rework a champion so soon after his release? I suppose hes not really that new anymore.
SithesisLord3 votesIllaoi would like a word.
Sure, it wasn´t a full rework, but her abilities changed terminology and a bunch of other things, it counts as a pseudo-rework.
Br4ndon2 votesHer abilities do nearly the same exact things as they did on release. Changing wording is hardly a rework lol. She has gotten a lot work though, as close to a rework without being one.
Miror B1 votesIllaoi would like a word.
Sure, it wasn´t a full rework, but her abilities changed terminology and a bunch of other things, it counts as a pseudo-rework.
The problem with Illaoi is that her kit is kinda hard to "tune" without making her a darius clone and/or OP. While she could use a slight change (like a slow if an enemy is hit with 2 or more tentacles), doing something outside of that would be pretty hard to pull off.
Ralanr1 votesIsn't that winrate appropriate for someone with a complex kit? Like Lee Sin?
Calabok1 votesHe has been top tier pick for a crazy amount of time already. Perhaps he should suffer at 45% for a little while.
