Lets be real here, Azir and Khalista are a huge fuck you to melee champs.

SeXyMuFfiNdaGoD·2/2/2015, 10:09:19 AM·56 votes·5,484 views

Look I don't know how these characters create a healthy environment in league. These champs are jam packed with massive amounts of utility on top of mobility and the only trade off they have is being squishy which pretty much every dps champion is. I don't see what their real trade-offs are when they bring so much to a team. While I do like the fact that these champs make players want to be more creative with team-comps I don't see how these champions encourage diversity. Azir and Khalista force you into playing champs that counter them specifically.

While I do find these champs to be very creative with interesting and I don't see how they fit into the League environment. These champs remind me of Lee Sin in how they have everything you want in a champion with arbitrary trade-offs. I feel like these champions existing crowds out the other guys in League who are lagging behind. We talk about increasing diversity but how does a champ like Zac survive when Azir can just Ult and say fuck you to Zac, we can even go further and ask ourselves how does Olaf deal with Khalista when his only form of engage is Axe spam. I honestly don't know how one deals with these champs beside just outright catching them out of position and dunking on them which is every bodies weakness. Maybe someone can give me another side to this and explain to me how these champions can work in a healthy way that adds more depth to the game cause it just looks like powercreep to me.

87 Comments

junglerboy162/2/2015, 6:54:06 PM17 votes

They just need to make it so he can't nuke turrets with his soldiers. That is quite literally the stupidest thing they put in his kit. He is AP, no other AP mage can drop a huge low cost low CD nuke on a turret, BECAUSE IT IS NOT HOW THEY WORK.

Feathermane2/2/2015, 1:37:24 PM11 votes

And let's be even more real, melee champions are not a homogeneous group. Talking about them in general terms makes no sense.

BakedLotion2/2/2015, 1:06:29 PM11 votes

only melee that could instaburst kalista AP Malphite ripdfg

SmokingPuffin2/2/2015, 3:43:18 PM9 votes

Kallista is indeed a giant middle finger.

Azir is easier to beat with a melee than a ranged.

AFLYINGTOILET2/2/2015, 10:39:47 AM6 votes

No they have high counterplay and aren't oppressive as fuck throughout the entire game ! kappa /s

B3ER2/2/2015, 10:45:43 AM6 votes

And Rito is wondering why people like this game less.

Cosmic Warper2/2/2015, 3:39:32 PM6 votes

Azir needs a range nerf on his Q and for his Q slow to not stack up with soldiers hit. Yeah his damage becomes huge late game, but if you position his soldiers incorrectly you should be punished for it instead of slowing the enemy team by a ton anyway so you can back off and position again for free.

lojician2/2/2015, 5:39:09 PM5 votes

You're forgetting gnar :D

Chaotic Reks2/3/2015, 3:23:39 AM4 votes

You don't know terror until you're a Nasus top against Kalista top... wither means nothing to her...

Kitten of Evil2/2/2015, 5:55:37 PM4 votes

Azir is incredibly vulnerable to stuns, snares, fears, and other CCs. TF is a pain in the ass to lane against, Ziggs and Lux can easily outpoke him and Lux even brings a shield, Xerath and Syndra can stun him and generally poke him from far away. To beat him, you just have to be quick on your feet and make sure you're aware of your positioning because he can punish you if you're out of position.

He and Kalista are both pretty squishy to make up for their mobility, but while Kalista can kite for days, Azir can dash once, making him similar to such OP champions as Graves, Lucian, and Sejuani.

Azir can just Ult and say fuck you to Zac

This wouldn't be the first time someone's ult counteracts someone else's. Viktor can just ult and say fuck you to Kat. And Azir's ult is utility, not damage. 300 + 60% AP at level 16? Even Orianna at least has 300 + 70% AP. Unless you're right on top of Azir, it likely won't deal damage to you anyway. Kalista's ult is 100% pure utility. It deals no damage AT ALL.

Stars Shaper2/2/2015, 10:58:48 AM4 votes

Mechanics that can't be countered by "turret play" (aka standing&shooting 'till kill-kingdom comes) are what this game needs to become interesting.

Ppl hated it on Yasuo (and still are) and now is Azir and Kalista turns while at least Azir has TONS of counterplay even from many melees.

Tik1152/2/2015, 5:43:49 PM3 votes

I think the only thing Azir really needs is for his soldiers to not be able to AA a little bit after he uses his Q

I mean you already got punished for being hit by the Q but why should he also get a free AA in with them?

Kalista on the other hand......

5G8Nri0B542/2/2015, 11:27:41 PM2 votes

Kalista is also a huge fuck you to the Support player who has to put up with her R going off without warning.

Azir....is actually a lot easier to deal with as melee than ranged if only because of the selection of melee mids bypasses Azir's kit.

Orangesilk2/2/2015, 2:44:37 PM1 votes

Depends on the melee champions. Akali is pretty much immune to this. You jump away?, I gapclose again, was that a flash? I GAPCLOSE AGAIN.

Edbwn2/2/2015, 9:42:00 PM1 votes

And Yasuo and Braum are a huge fuck you to ranged champs! :P