New HUD negatively impacts Kha'Zix players

KhaZix Bot··145 votes·12,458 views

So I took a bit of a break and never really got to test out the new HUD. I'm back playing again, and I'm greeted by this confusing new HUD. I got used to it, but there's one thing that isn't growing on me- Kha'Zix's new evolution point icon.

In short, there isn't one. Evolution no longer has a unique icon before you put a point in. It shares the same icon as the regular skill leveling system. Now, look, I know that there are people out there who will say that no one with more than two brain cells could screw their evolutions up, but when every second counts and chaos is around the corner perpetually, it doesn't help that some Kha'Zix players have to stop and say, "Damn, did I already put a point in R? Is this my evolution or a skill point? I don't remember putting a point in R yet... Oh, shit, I'm red now."

There's really just no reason for it. Riot clearly thought that it was confusing enough to warrant a specific icon on the old HUD, so why is it different now? I'm assuming this was just overlooked, but it needs to be changed.

EDIT** Just wanted to throw a quote in here from Riot Ponts so that everyone has something to work with while they wait for now. It's definitely a big help-

{quoted}

Also, it's not as clear as icons will be, but another way to tell if you are looking at an evolution point or a levelup point is by the text above the buttons. If it's a normal levelup point it'll say "Level Up" and if it's an evolution point it'll say "Evolve" and be in yellow text instead of the normal greyish text.

Hope that helps. :)

51 Comments

Fadedpf46 votes

Oh shit im red now. Lmao

Ancestor0072 votes

Remake to Blue dabadee?

lDontLiftIcarry1 votes

red vs blue. Tiny red overlord edition. Zerg agrees.

Axis the Dragon31 votes

Viktor has the same problem

junglerboy161 votes

At least with Viktor you're usually in the shop when you augment, where Kha'zix is actually out fighting stuff when he gets his evolution points..

GhostOfShrimpmas3 votes

Yes, but there's no reason to act like this isn't also an issue Viktor has. Just because it's a bit worse for Kha doesn't mean they shouldn't both be fixed.

Miraweave1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Axis the Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bdoVhjzf,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-08-14T11:57:20.207+0000)

Viktor has the same problem

The difference being that Viktor is always going to be putting his next skill point into the ability that would also be correct to augment anyway, because E -> Q -> W

Eeyore1 votes

My mate complains about this on ARAM whenever she gets Viktor. She buys before she skills - so she goes Q-W-E-E and it turns out she's evolved Q, then ranked W and E, then "evolved" E (but actually just put a second rank in it).

RiotPonts24 votes

Hey man, thanks for the post.

This is something that's on the backlog to fix for sure. It's not something the team is currently working on due to a few other really high priority HUD items on their plate but we haven't forgotten about it. :)

Also, it's not as clear as icons will be, but another way to tell if you are looking at an evolution point or a levelup point is by the text above the buttons. If it's a normal levelup point it'll say "Level Up" and if it's an evolution point it'll say "Evolve" and be in yellow text instead of the normal greyish text.

Hope that helps. :)

Jeddy0172 votes

Are you guys working on getting Dominion scores on the new HUD?They kind of got lost with the HUD update & I think they could use some help getting back.

JimmyNtheKudos2 votes

This has been complained about and posted on the forums so many times... How was this overlooked?

Malicious Fury7 votes

It wasn't overlooked. It's been on their list but there are higher priority bugs to fix.

RottedApples15 votes

heh, bugs to fix.

XLC3 votes

Damn you, I wanted to say this.

JimmyNtheKudos1 votes

It is extremely basic... It was overlooked.

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

I think his point is that they overlooked it when initially designing/releasing the new HUD.

At least I hope I'm reading that correctly. Since the improper interpretation would indicate they misunderstood Ponts' post.

CupcakeTrap5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malicious Fury,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bdoVhjzf,comment-id=000e00010000,timestamp=2015-08-14T21:31:03.508+0000)

It wasn't overlooked. It's been on their list but there are higher priority bugs to fix.

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Enosetc1 votes

{quoted}

Hey man, thanks for the post.

This is something that's on the backlog to fix for sure. It's not something the team is currently working on due to a few other really high priority HUD items on their plate but we haven't forgotten about it. :)

Also, it's not as clear as icons will be, but another way to tell if you are looking at an evolution point or a levelup point is by the text above the buttons. If it's a normal levelup point it'll say "Level Up" and if it's an evolution point it'll say "Evolve" and be in yellow text instead of the normal greyish text.

Hope that helps. :)

sorry to grill the messenger here, but when you implement a new HUD that reduces clarity, it's not exactly helping when you tell them what they already know about distinguishing one type of +1 from another

the issue (which was complained about since the very first iteration of the HUD, btw) is that the current solution isn't feasible due to the multitask-heavy environment of most games. it's kinda frustrating to hear that it's not even a priority right now when this issue could have been avoided entirely

KhaZix Bot1 votes

Thanks a million! Happy to know it's on the list.

Tendrian1 votes

really high priority HUD items

is that a hint? PLEASE let it be a hint D:

RiotChager8 votes

[{quoted}](name=KhaZix Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bdoVhjzf,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-08-14T07:23:01.729+0000)

So I took a bit of a break and never really got to test out the new HUD. I'm back playing again, and I'm greeted by this confusing new HUD. I got used to it, but there's one thing that isn't growing on me- Kha'Zix's new evolution point icon.

In short, there isn't one. Evolution no longer has a unique icon before you put a point in. It shares the same icon as the regular skill leveling system. Now, look, I know that there are people out there who will say that no one with more than two brain cells could screw their evolutions up, but when every second counts and chaos is around the corner perpetually, it doesn't help that some Kha'Zix players have to stop and say, "Damn, did I already put a point in R? Is this my evolution or a skill point? I don't remember putting a point in R yet... Oh, shit, I'm red now."

There's really just no reason for it. Riot clearly thought that it was confusing enough to warrant a specific icon on the old HUD, so why is it different now? I'm assuming this was just overlooked, but it needs to be changed.

We did some minor adjusting when we released the new HUD (changed the color of the text to stand out more) but that wasn't enough. Kha'Zix and Viktor share the same issue with evolving abilities and it not showing. We're working on some more permanent changes for these guys that will help evolution skill ups stand out more but don't have a solid delivery date yet.

Jayfire9801 votes

I hope all goes well, good luck!

Zenthon Prime6 votes

Jayce has a mildly similar issue where his skill levels overlap because he levels them each 6 times.

KhaZix Bot1 votes

Just good to know it's coming! Thanks!

SerBlaise1 votes

Please keep in mind that a lot of us don't ever mouse over the abilities: we use the hotkeys. I rarely look at the text, let alone the color of the text.

TotalJerk2 votes

You could just have someone fart out something simple until you guys make the pretty stuff.

Original Quitter7 votes

Yeah any champ that has to upgrade and skill has the same issues.

KhaZix Bot7 votes

Yeah I figured as much. I'm hoping this is one of those HUD aspects where the work is ongoing and it hasn't been left behind.

Overheadpillow5 votes

So I was playing an ARAM game with Kha'Zix and he turned level 6. I'm pretty sure he was confused cause next thing you know he's standing in the middle of the lane evolving his R with the enemy team following up behind him next thing you know. RIP

Khazix Ally has been slain Annie

HaIlMonitor3 votes

I agree this is dumb. KamaKha is love, Kamakha is life.

TurquoiseYoshi3 votes

I made a post about Viktor's problems with this a few weeks ago. If the new HUD has any problems, it's this.

rampaging poet3 votes

My friend did exactly that last night. It may have cost us the game. This needs to be fixed!

His Goatliness2 votes

Don't you have to level your R before you get your upgrade anyway? and it tells you something along the lines of "Evolve+1"

nordking1 votes

O so that's why i don't see people play him anymore

Partholonian1 votes

No, he has lots of other problems, this is comparatively minor.

Carry1 votes

I've done this before... on the old HUD fuck me I'm a retard.

Aklone1 votes

I understand this is annoying, as I play a bunch of Viktor. But for Kha, can't you just look at the dots underneath the R? 1 at 6 2 at 11 3 at 16 If you already have 2 points in r at level 11, chances are that level up is for your evo

GhostOfShrimpmas5 votes

Yes, and for Viktor, can't you just pay attention to when you buy your item? We know it's not an issue making either of them unplayable, but it's damn inconvenient and can potentially screw you up if you're not expecting to be fighting against the UI.

Häßlich1 votes

Sounds like an oversight. Nice catch.

Maratsune1 votes

Same thing with Viktor. There was a lot of hubbub about it when the HUD first dropped, and yet... no changes. Come on, Riot. This is a clarity issue.

Only Play Darius1 votes

What's wrong with the enhanced camouflage evolution?

HighH11 votes

Nothing but a lot of people like evolving claws or leap first

Fowus1 votes

this bug made me level up r first too lol

MrAluminum1 votes

This needs to be fixed. I can't even play with my Kha'Zix-playing friend because this issue causes him to scream into the mic. Riot fix this and save ear drums

Saianna1 votes

Oh boy, making such a huge mistake in title.. Lemme fix this:

New HUD negatively impacts players

There you go!

Khadaver1 votes

IKR, once i mistook the evolution point as an exp point and ended up not even getting evolved e(which is very important obviously) until lvl 16

Devourer1 votes

This bug almost lost me a game as I put a point in R at level 11 and my ganks/kill potential was severely weakened.

SenpaiAzir1 votes

I accidentally evolved R at level 6 soooooo many times because I was like, "Oh, I'm 6?"

Kouga1 votes

Not gonna lie, I've done that before. Especially because the Ctrl key is finicky, so sometimes I think it didn't "register" and I hit it again. Dammit, I didn't want to evolve R first.

Xhader1 votes

+1 because I did this the other day

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