Every hero should just be manaless

SlackerboyTC·Jan 31, 2015·11 votes·1,687 views

It would solve the whole bitching about energy vs mana thing, if ya get rid of mana, one less problem for riot.

38 Comments

CindikleJan 31, 20159 votes

Makes me miss Dawngate.

Gin no NekomataJan 31, 20151 votes

Did Dawngate not have any mana? I'm Curious.

SlackerboyTCJan 31, 20151 votes

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Did Dawngate not have any mana? I'm Curious.

Every character had a unique mechanic or a special resource only they used that quickly regenerated and made it generally easy to do things in the game, you literally never had to back for mana, it was always to heal.

CindikleJan 31, 20151 votes

There was no mana. Some of them had Energy. Some had their own unique setup. Most had nothing and were mainly limited by ranks and cooldowns. Most that did have a resource to manage also got a bonus passive for managing that resource. Most who had nothing didn't have a passive like we do in league.

There were only a few abilities that were targeted. Overall they did a very good job making it work.

IMO League could learn a lot from what Dawngate had. It overall felt like League 2.0. They had a lot that was obviously brought over from League.

Too bad EA dropped it.

RozzetaJan 31, 20152 votes

A really fun game it was. Too bad they were with EA.

PæanJan 31, 20157 votes

GG Karthus never leave kane, buy spellvamp.

SlackerboyTCJan 31, 20154 votes

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GG never leave kane, buy spellvamp.

Karthus op

Hell WeekJan 31, 20152 votes

Oh man that just reminded me of Karthus in URF, NOT AGAIN PLS!

CrettJan 31, 20154 votes

Anivia Ezreal Ryze Singed Swain Veigar Lissandra Kassadin what would we do with these champions without mana

IS1a442cd69a169ed293a39Jan 31, 20151 votes

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what would we do with these champions without mana

nerf

It Is I EmotoJan 31, 20153 votes

and Sona I played her in urf and wow she was as unfair as ryze and kassadin in that game mode mana is still needed, just buff mana regen items so they become a better choice to buy

chumblerJan 31, 20153 votes

Yeah uh, no. Every champion should use mana is the correct answer here.

SmokinSickStyleJan 31, 20153 votes

There's a reason some champ have to use mana, they need to be limited, would you enjoy a Orianna spamming the shit out of her abilities or Syndra?

Unless with the supposed manaless changes you also apply a big set of changes for champions that have spammy abilities that are meant to work with a limited resource.

The thing is Riot wants balance but they always stay on the extreme edges of opposites.

S4: MANA 2 STRONG, with chalice turning every mage with mana into a semi manaless being.

Pre-s5: Mana reg OP? Let's nerf it into oblivion.

You know who are the real ones that got hit harder than mages?

Those champions that use mana and aren't mages and cannot build mana regen because of lack of meaningful itemization.

Is it that hard to just make that mana is still a limited resource but is not as crappy as it is now? IS IT REALLY HARD TO BALANCE some numbers into a mix of S4 and what we have now?

In medio stat virtus.

GloriousKaiserJan 31, 20152 votes

The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many.

Ryze There should be tears of goddess here but no more mana = no more crying.

I like it. REMOVE MANA!!!!

TiaxJan 31, 20152 votes

Kassadin would truly become Kassawin with a long range aoe damage flash every couple seconds, not to mention constant force pulse spamming because everyone else spams, on top of constant magic damage shields...

junglerboy16Jan 31, 20152 votes

well that would 100% screw over Ryze...

JustMyBassCannonJan 31, 20151 votes

Or just bring Chalice back up to strength. Not back to what it was pre-nerf, but to a level stronger than its current state.

SlackerboyTCJan 31, 20153 votes

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Or just bring Chalice back up to strength. Not back to what it was pre-nerf, but to a level stronger than its current state.

Riot wont do that and you know it, just kill mana

JustMyBassCannonJan 31, 20152 votes

Just like how they won't ever add %HP items Or they won't ever add a champion entirely dependent on personal minions Or they won't ever rework Evelynn and Twitch

I get the distinct feeling that I'm just a lot more patient than the average person.

JunkοJan 31, 20151 votes

Or they won't ever add a champion entirely dependent on personal minions

Yorick

JustMyBassCannonJan 31, 20151 votes

Psst, hey. The entire point of those three statements was to say that Riot's done several things that the community figured they weren't ever going to do. And, actually, Azir is a better example of a truly minion-dependent champion.

Scuttler SlayerJan 31, 20151 votes

Ok but let's think about this... What are the pros and cons? Which champs would benefit too much? How to balance, etc. The more detail you get into, the more likely it'll get changed. (I think)

SlackerboyTCJan 31, 20151 votes

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Ok but let's think about this... What are the pros and cons? Which champs would benefit too much? How to balance, etc. The more detail you get into, the more likely it'll get changed. (I think)

Thats for riot to figure out :)

MãgeJan 31, 20151 votes

That's probably like saying, every champion should have the same abilities except for the ultimate; it would get rid of a lot of problems in champion balance.

ZeroAnarchyJan 31, 20151 votes

So what you are saying is: bring back URF? URF coming soon confirmed guys!

SlackerboyTCJan 31, 20151 votes

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So what you are saying is: bring back URF? URF coming soon confirmed guys!

YES, URF CONFIRMED!

TarynJan 31, 20151 votes

Mana-less Sona.

I like it.

SlackerboyTCJan 31, 20151 votes

obviously they'd need to increase cooldowns on some of the more spammy characters to actually give people a chance, thats kind of implied

RebonackJan 31, 20151 votes

Here comes AP Kog to ruin everyone's day.

1st HanarSpectreJan 31, 20151 votes

Have fun playing against Kartus, Cassiopeia, Lissandra and the likes.

RozzetaJan 31, 20151 votes

Sona I will

PokladnicaZlaJan 31, 20151 votes

Hero? DOTA player detected. Kidding XD

But srsly now,it´s champion,also upvote for balance. :D

LongFur FoxJan 31, 20151 votes

Mana is a good resource that allows champinos to have otherwise unhealthy paterns which are made acceptable by being gated by mana.

Riots job is not to get solutions but to get good solutions.

AlbireoJan 31, 20151 votes

Yorick Meanwhile in top lane.

SlackerboyTCJan 31, 20151 votes

Its fun watching the comments :) its not imposssible to balance manaless champs that used mana.

JustMyBassCannonJan 31, 20151 votes

I cannot think of a single mana-gated champion that I would want to see manaless in the laning phase. Maybe that's because I prefer mages in mid lane, but I'm less afraid of Zed than I would be of a no-mana Xerath, Lux or Ziggs. And the only way to balance any of these champions would be harsh nerfs to their early game.

It Is I EmotoJan 31, 20151 votes

that would be finally a buff for sona