Ziggs is NOT in a good place right now

Marmara··1 votes·1,552 views

First off, I'm a support and AP mid main who play mostly champions like Orianna, Ziggs, Lux, Morgana, Sona, Janna, Lulu, and Nami.

I've noticed that over the past while Ziggs has been severely underperforming for me. He received countless nerfs due to being "annoying" (yet at the same time Fizz remains untouched?) but was nerfed so hard out of unviability. That Q AoE nerf was the final nail in the coffin. He can no longer hit targets adequately anymore, and dare I say, dodging the bombs is so pathetically easy it's laughable. He's a poke mage, but what's the point of playing him if 95% of all the bombs you throw are going to miss? Why not play Xerath? Or Jayce? Or heck, even Kha'Zix, who has a poke along with a reliable 100-0 burst?

His mana costs are also SO BAD. Like Zilean-levels of bad. If you have 40% CDR and spam all of your skills, you will notice that you will run out of mana far more quickly than most of the other mages. The problem is even worse now because mana regen items has been gutted. Athene's unholy grail is no longer the item that it was. You have to build a tear and a Nomicon to be the "bomb-spammer" and if you do that your damage spike will be delayed so much you'll be forced to farm passively for the first few levels.

He's too weak now and needs a slight buff. Revert that Q AoE change or reduce some of his mana costs. At the moment he's a bad Xerath and a bad Jayce. And having an escape means nothing because it's unreliable and if an assassin gets close to you you're dead anyways.

And the 120 second CD ult. Just for comparison's sake, that's more than double the CD of Lux's ult, which is 50 seconds.

And before anyone says "Good Riddance!" keep in mind that I would rather face Ziggs 100x more than the current cheese assassin mids that are so disgustingly popular.

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Wînter Fox4 votes

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Ziggs is NOT in a good place right now

At least Riot is doing something right

Kowe The Ewok3 votes

Range comes at a cost. So does safety.

The reason why you'ld pick Ziggs or Xerath is easy: Ziggs can use his minefield to block a whole path. His Charge also grants an AoE knockback and a (kind of) dash. These two are significantly more powerful that Xerath's slow, or even his stun.

Also his ultimate has extreme wave-clear and (splitt-)pushing potential in addition to be a mid fight gamewinner (add in a J4......)

While there are sure more powerful duelling champions (you suggested Fizz) around Ziggs has his own set of strength.

His huge range and big hitbox used to allow barely any counterplay and were frustrating to play against (same reason Fizz and Zed have to be looked at with their up to 66,44% (Zed@korea) banrate).

Ziggs kit as a whole is problematic thus you may not see buffs without significant changes to how his abilities work.

RuGu1 votes

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Range comes at a cost. So does safety.

O rly?

Explain Lucian and Corki then.

Ziggs is one the more viable mid lane immobile mages, but I still don't want him on my team. Gimme Zed, Kat, Fizz, Akali, Syndra, Yasuo, Talon, or even freaking Annie any day of the weak.

Kowe The Ewok2 votes

Ziggs Q: 1400 Lucien Q: 500 Corki Q: 825

Ziggs R: 5300 Lucien R: 1400 (channeled, stationary direction) Corki R: 1225

RuGu1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kowe The Ewok,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bUGapogH,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2014-12-29T16:09:49.952+0000)

Ziggs Q: 1400 Lucien Q: 500 Corki Q: 825

Ziggs R: 5300 Lucien R: 1400 (channeled, stationary direction) Corki R: 1225

because range values tell the whole story? Lets just ignore cool downs, mana costs, damage, and the champs other abilities.

There are far more important things that are fundamentally wrong with mid lane / assassins, ADCs than whatever trouble ziggs is causing, which I just can't imagine any.

I AM MUFFIN LORD1 votes

I still think he needs more nerfs since he has low cool downs and not quite a lot of mana considering his harass potential early game

BastionKross1 votes

His skillshots are all an AoE and thus are easier to hit than a lot of other skillshots. Nidalee spears are annoying, but at least since they fixed the hitbox she actually has to aim them to hit you, unlike Ziggs. Ziggs can sit back and spam his Q like there's no tomorrow and he's punished very little for doing so. He's got low CDs, pretty unremarkable mana costs, extremely long range, and high damage. He's even got a bit of mobility. He's not that fun to play against unless you have a gapcloser, and even then it can be a bitch to catch the guy as he's got two forms of self peel.

Ziggs is pretty toxic to lane against. A lot like Yorick. Except Ziggs hasn't been nerfed down to Urgot tier for his sins. YET.

Saevum1 votes

Ziggs is not in a good position?

Are you Nutella high?

Diostukos1 votes

Midlaners that are better at stalling out games aren't that popular atm; assassins and the like are.

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