What if Vayne's W dealt current health damage?

PVPmaster LOL··3 votes·2,238 views

How bad will this affect her win rate? On a scale of 1 to 10.

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Abibyama II3 votes

It would be broken early game and fall off later on

Oleandervine1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Abibyama II,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bReRbeTQ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-03-25T10:33:03.604+0000)

It would be broken early game and fall off later on

More broken than %MAX HP damage is now? Let's do some math.

For simplicity, let's say her 3rd deals 20% MAX HP. Let's also say her regular autos without the 3rd shot do no damage for this example.

3 shots -> 80% HP remaining 6 shots -> 60% HP remaining 9 Shots -> 40% HP remaining 12 shots -> 20% HP remaining 15 shots -> Dead

New math - Simplicity's sake, her 3rd now deals 20% CURRENT HP. Assuming her regular autos deal no damage.

3 shots -> 80% HP remaining 6 shots -> 64% HP remaining 9 shots -> 51.20% HP remaining 12 shots -> 40.96% HP remaining 15 shots -> 32.77% HP remaining.

As you can see from the math, if her Silver Bolts was shifted from %MAX to %CURRENT, she's good at shredding down tanks and other high HP threats, and tapers off the weaker they get. HOWEVER, this isn't even factoring in her auto attacks OR critical hits. There is not a single reason on this green earth why they couldn't make her do %CURRENT HP damage instead of max. She's going to be dealing huge chunks as it is, since it's true damage, and she's already building standard ADC crit builds and/or BORK for additional damage. The %MAX HP damage is just complete overkill, and unnecessary on her, since it just ends up severely harming squishier targets who cannot deal with her auto attacks and the constant %HP shred.

Saianna2 votes

I'd say somewhere 1-3 on your scale, as in "suggested change won't influence her winrates at all or very slightly". There are no tanks to kill, her Q while R is busted as fuck so she just uses that to kill anyone plus overbloated ADC stats everywhere, so she won't even notice the change while critting for 500-600.

KFCeytron1 votes

Well, the value of her damage steroid would be cut in half overall, and start strong but plummet to the minimum value over the course of a fight even against tanks. Given that around 10-30% of her damage is true damage nowadays, I suppose it'd be a 5-15% damage nerf overall, which is pretty hefty. Her play rate would certainly sink like a stone. Her WR would probably go down by 3-5%, with only die-hard mains sticking with her.

Daddy Ants1 votes

It'd ruin the champion.

Riot has already told me they won't be touching stats or "things like that".

The area they're looking at for potential nerfs is the 9.1 change.

Abibyama II1 votes

Was it over at Twitter or the Vayne subreddit?

Daddy Ants1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Abibyama II,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bReRbeTQ,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-03-25T10:29:15.656+0000)

Was it over at Twitter or the Vayne subreddit?

Twitter.

heroikc1 votes

Maybe make her into a better tank buster...

Ragnaveil1 votes

When tanks kinda dont really exist? She's very strong in this meta where tanks dont exist and burst is king. That in itself should tell you something is wrong.

heroikc1 votes

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When tanks kinda dont really exist? She's very strong in this meta where tanks dont exist and burst is king. That in itself should tell you something is wrong.

I meant a healthier tank buster...but too true on this situation.

Ragnaveil1 votes

Now that you put it that way I agree. They could do the same to Fiora, and everything would be golden (it would open her to be buffed since people have said she's pretty weak in the current meta)

heroikc1 votes

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Now that you put it that way I agree. They could do the same to Fiora, and everything would be golden (it would open her to be buffed since people have said she's pretty weak in the current meta)

I don't really have an issue for or against Fiora, but it is food for thought.

Celestial Lion121 votes

Riot is probably going to keep vayne where she is until after MSI so the pros can make some flashy plays, and then probably address some more core problems during midseason such as guinsoos interaction.

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