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Dear Riot, a short message from Soraka regarding the PBE

Siegfriedx1··17 votes·1,681 views

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Pre post:

If you dont know whats going on for next patch: Morellonomicon now dont give mana anymore, give life, magic pen, apply GW on **every single spell** and will be an **every game** option to all champions that dont use mana on this game too. Akali Katarina Mordekaiser Zac Rumble Kennen http://www.surrenderat20.net/2018/02/26-pbe-update.html

Start of my post:

Dear Riot,

So exactly what kind of buffs will you give me? I would appreciate if you guys could just not throw me in the trash can until months go and you realize I can`t save my friends like before because now "Season 8 damage" will also apply GW.

I would really appreciate if you could make GW cut 40% off all kinds of health increases and shields too so this way everyone can feel for a week how is the feeling of being me!

Also I would appreciate if in your balance decisions you tried to help me out in my core mission [using my skills to save my friends] instead of always trying to make me more of a lane bully [we already have nami and karma for that. Talking about it remember Karma? You should, she misses you quite a lot!].

(sad face)

I understand that champions like Irelia and Doctor Mundo need GW to be in check, but Healing is kinda like everything that Im suppose to do and I even lose health for doing that. Why I get to be double punished for doing what Im suppose to do while champions like Janna and Lulu can stack shields that even buff their friends attack by only using mana? They even can shield themselves while I can only help my friends.

If I could suggest you something I would ask for a less punitive Starcall mid-late game with an additional effect to help dealing with GW. Maybe a % of true healing?

Thank you for you attention, keep the good work and I wish you best!

-Soraka Soraka

Don`t forget to upvote for visibility!

Edit: Spelling

Edit2: List of everything that applies GW http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Grievous_Wounds

30 Comments

Primaquarius3 votes

I'll take +5% AP on Q damage, always start small

Final Spark Lux2 votes

GW has always been a thing, and ADC's have even had an item for years that has applied it (item 3123). It has always applied on -every single attack- and all for 800 gold. I hardly believe adding it to 1 more expensive item (a whopping 3k gold) will end up warranting Soraka buffs. Riot (if I recall correctly) wants to look into shield reducing / breaking mechanics, but loading a bunch of stuff into GW doesn't sound like a good solution.

Siegfriedx11 votes

[{quoted}](name=Final Spark Lux,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bPylUkiV,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-02-06T22:23:26.166+0000)

GW has always been a thing, and ADC's have even had an item for years that has applied it (item 3123). It has always applied on -every single attack- and all for 800 gold. I hardly believe adding it to 1 more expensive item (a whopping 3k gold) will end up warranting Soraka buffs. Riot (if I recall correctly) wants to look into shield reducing / breaking mechanics, but loading a bunch of stuff into GW doesn't sound like a good solution.

Do you realize that every single spell will be applying GW on hit? Before it would only trigger when someone`s life would be below 40%. Do you really think that a +60% buff in the threshold [being 100% now], so at any health and at any point GW will be present trully represent nothing?

I totally and 100% disagree with you and i think you are not evaluating correctly the impact of those changes and neither how different is 1 ADC having to move away from their core build to invest in a 1.5 on Hit GW to a core item made by basically everyone in this game applying 100% 3 seconds GW on any and all SKILLS.

Riot stated in the very same day that they think that change might be too much for healing supports and I cant really understand how you would believe its not a big deal.

Chembaron Yamada2 votes

Since Morello is losing the mana sustain, I think it won't be an early purchase like now anymore.

Meaning that this newly added GW affect you just later into the game if they won't get out of their way purchasing the item early. I honestly don't see this becoming a huge problem.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Every single auto-attack can apply grievous wounds with Executioner's calling already, which is a lot more frequent than spells. This change is not that big of a deal.

That said I agree that grievous wounds does too much to healing. We should nerf both healing and grievous wounds so that both do not have to be so overpowered in edge cases.

Bjørnetjenesten2 votes

I Love the new morello. Mages have needed a reliable GW item, instead of relying on the adc for dealing with cancer soraka or mundo. ADC's even had this stat for 800 g for almost 2 years. Soraka is perfectly balanced around enemies actually buying GW. Also it only reduces healing by 40%. Be happy you still have 60% left.

Axerito3 votes

So why shielders are allowed to have 100% of their shields all the time? Also would you be happy to be permanently exhausted as a damage dealer the moment enemy buys an 800g item?

HalcyonDweller2 votes

I'll upvote you because the grievous-wounds / healing dichotomy is very important to raise awareness about.

However I think that rather than buff healers again we should instead nerf grievous-wounds and then tone down healing so that it is not so strong as to need grievous wounds.

And honestly grievous-wounds on Morello's won't really counter healing any harder than it can already be countered, it was already reduced because Executioner's Calling was available to AD characters.

Axerito2 votes

Soraka is indirectly nerfed patch after patch but Riot will not do anything to change that because there is a very strong hate for Soraka in the community. Well, enemies can counterplay Soraka easily (item 3123 item 3076 soon new item 3165 ) but Soraka cannot do anything to fight that. She is at the mercy of the enemy. She really needs a way to fight GW.

Leaf on Bush1 votes

https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2017/09/ask-riot-shields-and-guardians/

The situation we want to avoid is to have an endless arms race, where damage becomes so potent that we add shields, then shields are so potent that we add a shield breaking mechanic, and then a counter to that mechanic and so on. If shields overall are too strong, we’d rather ease up the shields or increase the damage that shields are intended to counter.

If only Riot would use their own logic....

Leaf on Bush2 votes

Grievous Wound is just bad design no matter how it's applied.

no to toxic2 votes

Just make all enchanters useless. 100% of people who play them suck at their champs and when they manage to do something that isnt being useless then they are frustrating to deal with since Janna and Lulu make anyone that isnt a long range mage or assasin being alone with the adc in the jungl useless. Also Zac Kennen Mordekaiser are bad examples since one would just be a troll build and the other 2 don`t exist.

Bjørnetjenesten1 votes

This is true, reaching diamond playing these champs means you are probably gold elo.

no to toxic1 votes

Now you confuse me do you mean Kenne Morde and Zac or the enchanters.

Bjørnetjenesten1 votes

Enchanters ofc. Most passive, beta role in the game. You litterally fellating your adc hoping they can carry you.

no to toxic1 votes

I would like to agree with that but I cant since enchanters are probably the most agressive support players I meet in my games. Its quite funny. You got tank supports staying as far away from you and the enemy as they can pretending they do something. While enchanters who are over agressive people who think all inning a Leona and Ezreal with all summoners up with level 2 inside of the enemys minion wave is a good idea since they got ignite .

sobi9991 votes

Just don't play her, she hardly has a worthwhile skin Xd, don't think riot has any reason to balance her at the moment. Gl

Player3Th0mas1 votes

Finally something other than item 3076 to build vs fiora.

Siegfriedx11 votes

I have 983,271 mastery points with her. It`s too late now to go back.

chipndip11 votes

{quoted}

I have 983,271 mastery points with her. It`s too late now to go back.

I have 2.5mil mastery on Sona and I'm a Nami main now. I'm in D4 promos maining Nami as hard as I used to Sona, and I got a way nicer win rate to boot.

It's never too late...just like the song.

Jbels1 votes

Wait, didn't GW only affect self-healing? When did that change?

Edit: Ah...6.9. Welp

Reaper Soraka1 votes

It's tough to say... It isn't a required item for AP users anymore since it lost so many stats (CDR/mana/AP and even 5 seconds of the GW duration which nobody even bought it for anyways) so we'll only see it later in the game when we're a very clear threat.

It's still a pain in the butt for us, but not as bad as you think.

It's still a stronger early item than executioner's calling. If someone bought executioner's they sacrificed damage, so in reality it almost evened out even if they chose bf sword first. 80 AP is still strong.

Siegfriedx11 votes

[{quoted}](name=Reaper Soraka,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bPylUkiV,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-02-06T22:54:37.332+0000)

It's tough to say... It isn't a required item for AP users anymore since it lost so many stats (CDR/mana/AP and even 5 seconds of the GW duration which nobody even bought it for anyways) so we'll only see it later in the game when we're a very clear threat.

It's still a pain in the butt for us, but not as bad as you think.

Im not concerned in the overall win rate when people dont buy it, just the guaranteed and crushing effect when someone buy it. Katarina jumping, Ahri ulting, Karthus doing anything, fiddle doing anything and so on will be applying GW in the start of every fight and for whatever reason. Basically Soraka is doomed to face 40% less heals guaranteed at all fights and all times at some point of the game.

Kaioko1 votes

None of these champions would get Morello in their build let alone as a first of even second item. They'd need to sacrifice some of their core power and maybe get it as a 3rd or 4th item. If they're doing so the right to cut all healing by 40% is well justified.

Morello not being the go to AP item on 80% of mages is actually a nice little buff to soraka. Most mages were buying Morello not for the grievous wound, just simply because it was the best mana starting item.

doodlebob6661 votes

+2 ad

Siegfriedx11 votes

still hoping for a riot reponse

Krigjer1 votes

As a heal/buff support player, I'm distraught at the removal of the mana passive.

Once again being shoehorned into buying certain items to have any semblance of usefulness. Welcome back, rushing item 3504 and item 3107 just for the mana regen.

Partholonian1 votes

I think the changes will be a benefit to healers because 2/3 of mages in the game won't automatically build Morello as their first item for stats and get GW completely free. You have to make a choice about getting GW now, it's like choosing to get item 3140 ; and the ability to make an enemy divert from their normal build path has power even if the build actually does counter your kit to some extent.

It's true that a few manaless champs who didn't really have access to GW at all will now have it as an option, but I think the effect of that will be much less than having tons of champions near-guaranteed to get it at 10 minutes.

Who's really going to be thinking about "gotta shut down that support" anyway? It's not like QSS where you literally get flashed on and CC'd until you die if you don't have one.

Siegfriedx11 votes

{quoted}

I think the changes will be a benefit to healers because 2/3 of mages in the game won't automatically build Morello as their first item for stats and get GW completely free. You have to make a choice about getting GW now, it's like choosing to get item 3140 ; and the ability to make an enemy divert from their normal build path has power even if the build actually does counter your kit to some extent.

It's true that a few manaless champs who didn't really have access to GW at all will now have it as an option, but I think the effect of that will be much less than having tons of champions near-guaranteed to get it at 10 minutes.

Who's really going to be thinking about "gotta shut down that support" anyway? It's not like QSS where you literally get flashed on and CC'd until you die if you don't have one.

So I'm suppose to be happy that everytime someone will buy that I will not play anymore? After people learn that they should build that against Soraka and I start seeing that over and over what i'm suppose to do?

xMerry1 votes

We are DOOMED Soraka

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