Like damn, I get that she is op peeler. But why does she have to do 435 magic dmg to me with just her w. :(
Edit: It may of been two w's? I still believe it was one, since it was a pretty quick fight.... but it may off been two. Hard to read death recap sometimes.
datfatguy17 votesDamage has become so ridiculous we now have to complain about Janna. FUCKING. JANNA.
Myrmiron1 votesThat one time I fought against a Janna and she dealt like 1000 damage to me. True story btw
DuskDaUmbreon12 votesHun, are you sure you saw a Janna?
Because that'd require 
and another high AP item. And I have only once seen a Janna buy those outside of ARAM or URF. And it was by a troll.
CrazFight 4 votesHun, are you sure you saw a Janna?
Because that'd require
Yes it was janna. Her w did 435 magic dmg to me a raka in the support lane.
edIt: Although it may of been 2 w's, not 1. Hard to read death recap sometimes.
DuskDaUmbreon3 votesCheck her build, then, hun.
Unless she builds a shitton of AP, she won't hit that ratio.
DuskDaUmbreon13 votesActually, hold the fuck up. You haven't even played Nami against Janna this year.
underscores2221 votesHe says raka, not nami
Aimléss1 votesJanna's W can do a lot of damage, just rush the support items that give AP, and max W first.
Strigina4 votes60 / 115 / 170 / 225 / 280 (+ 50% AP), she would need 310 AP to reach 435 dmg but in reality she would need even more because noone has 0 magic resist. Doesn't actually sound like "a lot" to me.
Aimléss1 votesI mean maybe, she W'd him, then AA'd , like a normal person. Plus if she threw in a tornado too I can see her exceeding 435. I've seen some Rabadon's Jannas do well when ahead as well, so that amount of AP isn't really impossible.
Strigina1 votes"But why does she have to do 435 magic dmg to me WITH JUST HER W. :("
Ofc 435 dmg is not impossible, but not with W only unless she goes full AP and has almost full build (she would need more than 610 AP to deal this dmg because of MR).
Supreme Senpai691 votes'Just' max w first? lol. We max W last. If you're maxing it first and missing out on her OP shields and reduced CD knock up, which is the reason you play Janna, you definitely deserve to have some damage.
I've played AP Janna a few times. It's honestly pretty fun. You just zoom across the map. And unlike AD Janna, you're still a support, because your shield is strong! It's a fun compromise.
datfatguy1 votesIt could have been with Aery. That shit is nuts with Janna's W.
HP Crookshanks11 votesAtleast she builds some AP to deal damage. There are some supports dealing more damage than 
with 0 AP. (
) Because they are tanks! They must have high base damages and high AD! [sg-ahri-1]
flibitydoo4 votesto be fair, 3 of them have to land skillshots (4 if we include mustachio which wasn't on your list of tank supports)
and only one of them isn't all-inning you when they do so.
T4underbolt1 votesSome ap :D. Janna taking nearly 3/4 of my adc hp with Q W auto while having 54 AP is defenitely "some AP".
Marothennan1 votesYeah cause tanks need to deal damage even though they are unkillable until late game and have more cc than 2 normal champs at the same time : ^)
Dasdi968 votesI would rather her have some aggression in the game rather than just spam e on adc.
Jaygo418 votesExcept she does both with little opportunity cost
Somebody Love Me4 votesHEr E is like an 18 second cd lv 1, and for her W to do damage, it means she's putting points to W instead of E, so there's the opportunity cost
Jaygo411 votesYeah but it's length and strength mean that that's all you need, you can just use its potential and allow your AD to stand between their minions and them, zoning them
Somebody Love Me2 votesIts easy to wait out the shield though, or even pop it. Not to mention you can simply target the one who isn't shield. After the shield is down, then you have at least13 seconds of freedom to do as you wish in terms of trading.
Krully6 voteshow bout we rework her into something more interesting than a shield bot
Clockwork Mouse6 votesNo, she needs to be buffed! She is not meeting Riot's design standard for season 8. She needs to kill you with a single rotation of her abilities!
Weiss Guertena3 votesPatch 8.8:
Riot: "We realize that players miss the shield bomb on... uh... what was her name again? You know, the duality chick. So we are giving it to Janna. And it scales off target's AD because uniqueness. Also her W now deals true damage to knocked up targets because everyone needs flashy combos nowadays."
taleofsonata5 votesWhy the heck would you nerf her Damage? That champion doesn't even do damage, yea lets nerf the only thing that makes an defensive champion offensive.
ampheon4 votesBecause people complained when she was a spam E bot in lane and Riot nerfed her E and buffed her W, which has resulted in this
Supreme Senpai694 votesLol why is everyone freaking out about her damage. She doesn't do that much damage guys. Chill. As someone else said:
60 / 115 / 170 / 225 / 280 (+ 50% AP)
That is what her W does. I think a support should be able to have a single ability that does 60-280 damage.
underscores2222 votesI'm going to try to do the math on how much Janna can do with 1 W during laning phase (see below for assumptions). I don't play her, so I'm sure I'm going to make some mistakes on interpreting how some of her stuff interacts and what sort of runes she should take. For the purposes of this, I am going to aim for a Janna that is building to do the most damage with W early.
Assuming level 6 -> tier 1 of passive, 3 points into W, boots, and a frostfang, plus sorcery runes (Aery, 30 AP from bonuses plus scorch and other bonus damage runes). Runes are a bit vague cause I don't want to open the client to see what sort of optimizations I can work out. This is a quick and dirty version.
Rank 3 W does 170 + .5 AP + bonus move speed passive. Her passive grants her 8%, and at rank 3, W also grants 8% plus 2% per 100 AP. I admittedly don't know if that portion of move speed is lost immediately on cast (and thus not applying to W's damage) or not, but I'm going to try to go for the worst case (most damage) and you Janna mains can let me know how wrong I am.
Janna at that point prolly has somewhere around 50 AP (30 from runes, 20 from frostfang) - boosting her W passive move speed to 9%. She has 320 base + 25 boots + 17% bonus (assuming passive and w stack fully) granting a total of 379 move speed or 59 bonus move speed. She converts 15% of that into damage (8.85)
So W becomes 170 + 25 + 9 for a bit over 200 pre-mitigated damage. Adding on aery, scorch, and other damage boosting effects from runes (move speed increases, more damage at full health, take your pick) could add perhaps up to 100 additional damage conditionally.
I would assume this ability hit you twice (it has about a 7 second cooldown at this point assuming no cooldown runes), since it doesn't seem like this ability can do 400+ damage at lane phase levels without something being terribly wrong.
CasterGilgamesh2 votesLOL no if they did they would then need to buff some other part of her kit meaning she would get more utility somewhere which isnt a good idea if you guys want to see less of her in fact if you want to see less of her riot would need to hard nerf her utility and give more damage to comp for it
Mezo1 votesI hope Riot buff her damage&healing and nerf her shield .. because you can counter healing by GW and her base damage with flat MR .. but u can't counter her shields especially when she keeps stacking her shields on the same target and increase ad & as"ardent" .
Alex h87213 votessoon. 
T4underbolt1 votesDo you realize that her 300% dmg to shields apply only to the dmg for on hit passive which is really pitiful. Before you get to take down the shield with it, janna or any other broken ass enchanter support will shield the player you are attacking again.
Karn Bishop1 votesJanna's damage and peeling is fine, what breaks her is the fact that her R grants healing + knockback so reduce the healing or just remove it in favor of a small aoe shield available for only those inside the ult at the moment it triggers and you will find janna much less frustrating to play against.
Icy Hot Shoto1 votesYou do realize that's why Sona was/is an annoying champ to play against? Full team shield that can give EVERYONE Ardent buff, that has a 5.4 second cdr at level 18 with only 5% cdr. Without any cdr at all that's a 6 second cooldown. A 5 man shield on a 6 second cd for one champion.
Now imagine that on Janna. It may be a longer cooldown than 6 seconds, but that's still really annoying, especially if you're like me and will buy Locket to maximize that 1-5-man shield. Plus her e on top of the adc/carry for an even BIGGER shield?
If you really don't want to deal with Janna's annoying ult heal, try buying items that give grevious wounds. Such as 
, 
, or even 
. Ironically, it works, when people actually buy those items. Oh and 
works. But who thinks to ignite anyone anymore when it's not to get that last second kill?
Daedric Etwahl1 votesTo be fair, though, if Sona's reached level 18 then the game has dragged on. If you let a game drag on that long vs a Sona then you're in a bit of trouble.
Karn Bishop1 votesA small shield, not a giga shield in case your having trouble reading i also suggested that you only get the shield if in range of the initial cast meaning you can't walk into it to get the shield it wont work that way, the main reward for R is the knockback effect adding on a 40-60 shield with no scaling should not be a big deal especially since her R cannot apply spell effects which makes your entire ardent rant seem very out of place.
Icy Hot Shoto1 votesAnd Sona's shield isn't that large either. It's a pretty small 5-man shield. But for Janna, a tiny shield on top of her E shield is a huge ass shield for one person, even if it's only the e shield that gives the boost to one person. And most often, if Janna is ulting, most of her team is in it unless she desperately needs that heal/knock back to save herself or one person.
5-man small ult shield, plus 5-man shield from Locket, plus e shield on the carry... that's WAY too many shields from one person.
Once again, if her ult is THAT TERRIBLE, buy items that give grevious wounds and even IGNITE the carry if you need to. Ignite gives grevious wounds too.
But, from what I've seen and how people are complaining over her heal, no one seems to think to buy those items. Oh, and btw, 
+ is a huge way to screw with her healing. And since most adcs can do well with ruunan's, well... shit, there goes that ult in a team fight.
You can literally build against her heal. And Sona's heal. And Soraka's heal. Most just don't want to.
Karn Bishop1 votesLocket now has shield stack penalty, also the shield wouldn't be additive its whichever is greater replaces the other shield.
Icy Hot Shoto1 votesWhen you take the time to pay attention and learn, you quickly get it memorized to wait out the shield then use the other shield. While no longer stacking, you're replacing one shield right after the other "dies". Still a bunch of shields, just not stacked.
Karn Bishop1 votesat that point its skill expression and nothing wrong with that being in the game.
tea tìme1 votesI'm gonna like it when they nerf it, and give her healing on her ult a boost and a fear to compensate or something.
I don't mind because I'm a Janna main. See you out on the rift, suckers! My W's coming for you. [sg-syndra]
Ahri Baka1 votesignoring her damage part , they need to remove the ad she gives with her E to get her balanced
Updiving1 votesCan we just rework Janna entirely. She is the definition of no skill expression. Tornado was changed to be viable when used with a short wind up. Everything is reactive and very easy. It actually sucks playing her because I feel like I have no say in anything, just wait for the enemy to attack and hopefully make a mistake.
Her Zephyr harass actually does a lot of damage if maxed, but unless she has a really scary adc or your lane doesn't do well in all-in situations, if you just go balls to the wall against a harassing Janna usually she dies and her adc will not fully commit. That's just my experience and maybe doesn't work well in higher elos, my issue with Janna is more her late game power with zero thought involved
