Diamond Zed Main Talking About Direction Of Zed After QSS Nerf

xxKravexxx·4/20/2016, 8:51:24 AM·6 votes·2,552 views

So for everyone that hasnt seen the patch 6.9 notes, QSS no longer removes negative debuffs (aka zed's deathmark and fiora's grand challenge). Alot of people are talking about op zed is gonna be and i can definetly see why.

Right now if you're vs a fed zed its easy to put 1300 gold into a qss and this will negate alot of zeds damage. I think that was a pretty unfair, being 10-0 and having 2 qss and 1 zhons on the other team to pretty much bring you on par with everyone else in the game despite having a large gold lead.

Also i think zed should be able to 1v1 an adc at any point of the game unless there is a major gold discrepancy. With qss most late game adcs could easily beat a zed 1v1 with the amount of lifesteal and attack speed they have despite how bad their positioning was. I think with qss removed adc's will be much more reliant on their support being near them for cc and exhaust.

Zhonyas in my opinion is still a good option for ap midlaners but is fairly weak in its current state, will have to see the new zhonyas from pbe.

I think even with qss being nerfed zed still has many flaws such as;

  1. Needing an ap top/jungle or else being faced with 2-3 armor stacking champions
  2. Single target damage in team fights
  3. Exhaust still negating a lot of his damage. ( im assuming qss doesnt remove exhaust debuff now either)

So going forward i think riot has to do either 1 of 2 things to put zed in a healthy state.

  1. Zed is a snowballing midlaner who thrives early - mid game and turns in to a strong split pusher late game. First change riot could implement is making QSS only remove cc, BUT mercurials would still negate deaths mark/grand challenge. Atleast this way people are forced to actually choose between a strong adc item (I.E, PD, etc.) or the survive ability of mercurials. QSS was to easy to obtain then continue on your path and its extremely frustrating as zed when you are strong to be countered by a 1300 gold item.

  2. Second thing and more likely thing they will do is nerf zed. I think this is the better direction to go but i think it needs to be done properly. Right now zeds strength is his w e q combo. They recently nerfed his w cooldown (22 seconds lvl 1 ) which i thought was the wrong way to go, this was a huge nerf considering you rank the ability up last. And takes alot of away from his lane presence. I think they should revert the change to his w (originally 18 seconds) and proceed to attack his combo damage. They could also just buff it a bit to say 20 seconds.

I think they need to nerf the q damage when it goes through minions, right now you dont need to land a clean combo for it to do significant dmg, they can touch his normal q damage slightly but i think it should still be rewarding to land a clean combo. In the end i think zed should be able to use his combo more often but lose out on some of the damage that it provides. His e is another think that could be changed, changing the dmg so it does less if only 1 e hits you but more if you are hit by 2-3.

Now with his ult damage i think you can nerf it slightly as well, considering you can now effectively build duskblade without it being qssed and rendering it a useless item on him. Zed is a 1v1 assassin and should be able to win 1v1's vs squishy champs.

Just my opinions on what should happen to zed over the next few patches.

15 Comments

Derpy Mike4/20/2016, 9:25:29 AM4 votes

I think that was a pretty unfair, being 10-0 and having 2 qss and 1 zhons on the other team to pretty much bring you on par with everyone else in the game despite having a large gold lead.

How typical of a zed main to think that something as rudimentary as counter-building is unfair.

xxKravexxx4/20/2016, 9:38:26 AM3 votes

Thing with zed is you are taking a large majority of his damage away from building a a 1300 gold item, like i said it would be reasonable for it to only be mercurial as it is a more expensive item and you would have to put more resources into obtaining it. And its not like they took armor out of the game which is counter building. Qss was a cheap item that didnt counter buit nullified most of zeds damage. How typical for someone to read the first sentence then post about being a zed main. Steraks is still a counter but has been nerfed and GA is another item you can build. There are still many counter items to zed they are simply taking out the one that was easiest to get and most effective.

Counterbuilding shouldnt completely nullify a champion and shoudlnt cost the same as a bf sword.

A viable armor item that provided attack damage or attack speed would be nice too see.

Horse Grenades4/20/2016, 1:54:43 PM2 votes

QSS doesn't nullify a champion, it negates a huge amount of damage that comes from a point-n-click ability on a champ with too many escapes and an unhealthy laning phase.

xxKravexxx4/20/2016, 10:53:26 AM1 votes

Ya i think zed will be banned a lot in the next few patches which is okay i play talon and ahri alot too and they are both actually alot stronger in teamfights. Not a one trick just enjoy zed. And im hoping they implement a new item or 2 for adcs to build for armor stats that is comparable with hexdrinker.

As far as being nerfed im sure his ult dmg will take a hit but it will be compensated by duskblade which is now viable on him due to the qss changes.

Ralanr4/20/2016, 2:53:44 PM1 votes

You lost me at QSS for 1300 gold being unfair.

You remember spell blade right? The thing every Mage main hates.

PhantomGG4/20/2016, 9:24:50 AM1 votes

I am more in favor of option 1

Makes no sense to nerf every assassin in the game all because they nerfed a single item.

xxKravexxx4/20/2016, 2:55:17 PM1 votes

what is spell blade? hexdrinker you mean?

and if that is what you are referring too i have said in previous comments that i hope riot implements an armor item similar to hexdrinker for adc's or ad squishies

CoolKnightST4/20/2016, 9:41:29 AM1 votes

It was already strange that an item designed to protect you against cc could counter damage that easy.

Surr20plz4/20/2016, 10:49:19 AM1 votes

Kiss your champion bye.