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PLEASE Do something about Zed......

Hex the FenFen··10 votes·1,356 views

I know a lot of people are gonna give me a hard time about this post because it is gonna seem like a complaining whiney post..but it isn't...entirely. I just wish Riot would do something about Zed....He is supposed to be "High Risk, High Reward" like most assassins should be (many aren't but that's not the point) yet he has a ton more safety than i think he should be afforded...You can zone him, yes, but then he has 2 very long range farming and harass tools that makes it seem like there is no point in zoning him, it doesn't hurt him. He still farms up like there is no issue. Then of course there is his ult which is stupidly strong with little counter play. Yes, yes, build a Zhonya's, in fact just rush it, is what a lot of people will say. Well, news flash, you can't really rush a Zhonya's if you can't farm...and even then you can't really rush it. And by the time you get one he already has enough kills that it wouldn't even matter and you just lost out on a bunch of AP and mana regen items that you should have rushed instead. And on the other note he probably already has an armor pen item that just makes the armor from Zhonya's pointless. BUT IT HAS AN ACTIVE THAT RUINS HIS ULT!!!!!! So? His ult will be back up in no time and you won't have Zhonya's again..so you will die anyways. No one should be forced to buy an item they may not even need to counter a champion. It makes no sense...He is not fun to play against. In fact it is extremely irritating. He is pretty much ungankable, has plenty of escape if he messes up, and can safely farm and harass with little cost and there is nothing you can do about it.

I just really feel he needs something taken away or fixed. He has too much lane safety, too much of a reliable "get out of jail free card", and an ult with little to no counter play. SOMETHING has to go, he cannot have it all and then some.

33 Comments

Evil Jester5 votes

they already stated that they are not going to do anything to him. and that they define him as a healthy champion. what a load

1000angrybees4 votes

Zed definitely does not have a 'high risk high reward' playstyle. It's really just farming while harassing until the enemy is nearly half health and then he goes 'all in' for the kill, pretty safely.

soh1gh23 votes

high skill cap lol

Epilogue of Life3 votes

Then go play Zed. If he's so broken why don't you play him?

Sona Ping3 votes

"Why don't you play broken champion X then?" For the same reason I don't go make smurfs to beat on newbies.

Epilogue of Life2 votes

Well smurfing doesn't get your main acc to diamond. If Fizz's so broken then why don't you abuse him lol.

Troy2426211 votes

Broken ≠ Overpowered

LifeCyclesTWA2 votes

His ult has a 120 / 100 / 80 second cooldown. He gets 15% from brutalizer and masteries. His ult should have a 102 second CD at rank 1, and an 85 second CD at rank 2. You won't be laning against him at rank 3. Zhonya's has a 90 second CD.

Just rush the fucking Zhonya's, its not complicated.

It will be up every fucking time he tries to ult you. Hell, you know how you farm against Zed? Start cloth armor 5 health pots. Last hit, maybe harrass him every now and then. He pops his shadow? Sweet, get out of range. It has like a 18 second CD at rank one, so you're good. His Q has a 6 second CD. Just farm all nicely, be safe once he hits 6. Keep your health topped up with your potions, don't be stupid. Don't be afraid to buy a fuckload of potions! He blows through his energy quickly too, and he restores it more quickly when he hits you with himself and his shadow. So yeah, get away from his Shadow, don't take an E to the face, don't get hit by his Qs, basically don't be a noob in general. Eventually, you will have Zhonya's or even a QSS and his ult won't be able to touch you either. Simple as that.

Now can you go gather all your damn friends on noob island and tell them to read this post.

Very Hard Engage2 votes

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His ult has a 120 / 100 / 80 second cooldown. He gets 15% from brutalizer and masteries. His ult should have a 102 second CD at rank 1, and an 85 second CD at rank 2. You won't be laning against him at rank 3. Zhonya's has a 90 second CD.

Just rush the fucking Zhonya's, its not complicated.

It will be up every fucking time he tries to ult you. Hell, you know how you farm against Zed? Start cloth armor 5 health pots. Last hit, maybe harrass him every now and then. He pops his shadow? Sweet, get out of range. It has like a 18 second CD at rank one, so you're good. His Q has a 6 second CD. Just farm all nicely, be safe once he hits 6. Keep your health topped up with your potions, don't be stupid. Don't be afraid to buy a fuckload of potions! He blows through his energy quickly too, and he restores it more quickly when he hits you with himself and his shadow. So yeah, get away from his Shadow, don't take an E to the face, don't get hit by his Qs, basically don't be a noob in general. Eventually, you will have Zhonya's or even a QSS and his ult won't be able to touch you either. Simple as that.

Now can you go gather all your damn friends on noob island and tell them to read this post.

it blocks ult damage, it does nothing about the 200 ad melee strikes against you, or the insane burst from Q + E which is near impossible to miss when you're right on top of them. you are literally hopeless if you think zhonyas wins a fight against zed. it doesn't, it prevents him from towerdiving, thats it.

Errastas2 votes

No, but once op learns how to counter pick and position correctly they'll have an easier time against a champ that isn't "op".

Very Hard Engage2 votes

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No, but once op learns how to counter pick and position correctly they'll have an easier time against a champ that isn't "op".

i play ahri, charm, and profit. otherwise im picking blindly and i cant possibly expect the zed, which is why i currently ban zed/sejuani/naut whenever im first pick.

every other ap mid laner i play gets decimated by him because his Q range (melee champion) is a ridiculous range and a 6sec CD with an infinite resource. all he does is make me dance, and fine, ill dodge his Q's 70%+, if not moreso, but theres still the fact that a single one does about 1/5th of my health. a second one and hes in kill range which is super easy for him with 2 gap closers and ignite.

the only 3 who can safely just ignore zed and lane are ziggs/xerath/syndra.

everyone else is going to have a bad time in lane.

then theres the issue of him being capable of last hitting caster minions under turret thanks to his passive execute and high AD at level 1. no other mid laner can do this, everyone else is required to prep the wave with an auto or burn mana.

LifeCyclesTWA1 votes

the only 3 who can safely just ignore zed and lane are ziggs/xerath/syndra.

Add Malzahar, Mordekaiser, and Talon to that list. Malzahar is really annoying early game vs Zed early game just because of his harass. He will also just keep pushing the wave into tower and staying far back with his space aids and will 100-0 Zed if Zed tries to all-in him without a QSS. Mordekaiser counters him hard in lane. And a good Talon will never lose to a Zed because Talon can deal all of his burst damage in .25 seconds.

Very Hard Engage1 votes

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Add Malzahar, Mordekaiser, and Talon to that list. Malzahar is really annoying early game vs Zed early game just because of his harass. He will also just keep pushing the wave into tower and staying far back with his space aids and will 100-0 Zed if Zed tries to all-in him without a QSS. Mordekaiser counters him hard in lane. And a good Talon will never lose to a Zed because Talon can deal all of his burst damage in .25 seconds.

no those 2 are counterpicks, they are not capable of staying safely back, or just ignore one another. they will DUEL. malz and swain counterpick due to build paths and targeted abilities. talon doesn't straight up win, its an even matchup of which talon has better scaling, but hes still required to avoid poke pre6 and then all he can do is be the one who comes out ahead and THEN he wins 1v1 due to scaling purposes, but in the end they still combo eachother excessively.

Errastas1 votes

Ahri Qs do the same thing to Zed. If you're playing Ahri and always having a hard time against Zed, the problem is with how you play Ahri. Big deal if his passive helps cs a little better, also pretty sure Ahri's ult is up before Zeds. Feel free to look up my Zed play from S3-S5, I'm not the best, but my kda isn't too bad with him. Look at the win% with him, he gets shit on by plenty of mids and late game team comps.

Very Hard Engage1 votes

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Ahri Qs do the same thing to Zed. If you're playing Ahri and always having a hard time against Zed, the problem is with how you play Ahri. Big deal if his passive helps cs a little better, also pretty sure Ahri's ult is up before Zeds. Feel free to look up my Zed play from S3-S5, I'm not the best, but my kda isn't too bad with him. Look at the win% with him, he gets shit on my plenty of mids and late game team comps.

oooo so sorry, he started 3 health pots and a long sword, thats an extra 450 health, where my Q takes up 60mana (300pool) and i deal about 100damage hitting both there and back, so even with 100% hit rate i can still only cast Q 5 or 6 times before ooming. that only puts him to 4/5ths his health and now im a sitting duck.

zeds problem is his infinite resource and his stay in lane, its not his kit or his 1v1 potential thats overwhelming, its his ability to stay in lane forever.

Errastas1 votes

You're complaining about him staying in lane forever and your mana issues. Which means you're not managing your mana, just poking nonstop and missing, while he's poking you and you aren't dodging.

Very Hard Engage1 votes

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You're complaining about him staying in lane forever and your mana issues. Which means you're not managing your mana, just poking nonstop and missing, while he's poking you and you aren't dodging.

did you miss everything i just said? i can Q 6 times, maximum. then im done. thats less damage than he has health. GG. 100% hit rate cant beat him.

im straight up telling you, the only way is to land cc and combo him from 100-0. this is only obtainable after you get a full first item. he dominates the first ~14mins of the game being unkillable and a major pain.

its only possible if he completely screwed up, or with a solid gank. otherwise you can only manage him, you cant beat him.

Errastas1 votes

Dorans ring provides mana regen (I know its not the greatest) and also 4 mana on a minion kill, so you aren't completely screwed for mana in lane. Why not just focus on cs'ing and waiting for a gank instead of trying to farm him for kills?

Very Hard Engage1 votes

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Dorans ring provides mana regen (I know its not the greatest) and also 4 mana on a minion kill, so you aren't completely screwed for mana in lane. Why not just focus on cs'ing and waiting for a gank instead of trying to farm him for kills?

lets assume max farm, 80cs in 10mins, thats an extra 320 mana, great i can cast another 6 times. now lets. +3mana per 5s. over 10minutes thats an extra 120 mana. (2 casts) ahris base is +6mp5. or another 4 casts

so i can cast my Q for a maximum of 18 times in the first 10minutes before needing to back or at least get a blue buff.

zed on the other hand. 10energy per second (50e regen per 5). with a 75cost at rank 1 this allows him to cast his Q every 7.5s (it has a 6sec CD, but assuming he casts every 6seconds he would run out of energy).

whats that 600seconds.7.5 = 80casts. something isn't right here.

80casts vs 18. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm yet they both do about the same damage. 75+100% vs 80+70%. (not really, because zed has higher base ad than we do ap, giving him a much stronger early game)((and the fact that he would run 42MR from blues, and we would only have ~30armor with yellows)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqFz3LcUlcU

in that video bjergsen gives his opinion on who competes with zed (roughly 15minutes in) he said urgot counters zed, cassio its a skill matchup, diana loses early game but beats him in split pushing. if kayle survives she outscales him. everyone else including ahri loses to zed in a 1v1.

Errastas1 votes

"Thing is if you can farm against Zed in lane and go into team fights and have a comp that out team fights Zed then he'll get beaten, just through team fighting. In lane Zed almost always wins, but you don't have to beat Zed in lane to beat him."

Very Hard Engage1 votes

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"Thing is if you can farm against Zed in lane and go into team fights and have a comp that out team fights Zed then he'll get beaten, just through team fighting. In lane Zed almost always wins, but you don't have to beat Zed in lane to beat him."

THATS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TELLING YOU, ZED LOSES TEAM FIGHT, ZED HAS SUPER OPPRESSIVE LANING.

Errastas1 votes

"but you don't have to beat Zed in lane to beat him" is what I've been trying to tell you.

Very Hard Engage1 votes

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"but you don't have to beat Zed in lane to beat him" is what I've been trying to tell you.

and whos going to do that when zed Q's you to oblivion, ive told you his checks and counters, everyone else has to actively manage him, not even contend with, its just straight "dont feed the zed". im through here. you clearly wont listen that zed destroys the mid lane. theres nothing i can teach you anymore, you just have to lane against it yourself. show me 10cases each where you snowball/get snowballed against the zed, id like to see what you were doing. otherwise i really dont care what you have to say.

Errastas1 votes

If you'd like I'll play Zed into your Ahri, see what you're doing and maybe give you a few pointers.

LifeCyclesTWA3 votes

If you have Zhonya's you'd have to be in pretty horrible position to die to Zed without help from his jungler. Sorry, I've never struggled against a Zed. I play Mord, Talon, Malzahar, Swain, and TF mid. I never pick TF unless the other APC picked first, and I wouldn't pick TF against Zed. However, Mordekaiser shits on him, Talon will burst Zed to death more quickly than Zed will him, Malzahar will blow up Zed if Zed gets in his face, and as Swain I just destroy Zed.

soulbanana82 votes

Zed suffers heavily in the teamfight department where unless he is extremely fed, Zed can only burst down one target and run, or get poked to death. Early game is where they need to hit him. Make his passive scale so that it's not that easy to farm/harass(cuz you can W then AA then walk back or walk up to them, AA, and W+more abilities away). If he gets hit there, it might not be too bad.

YossarianSensei2 votes

I feel like the only people who complain about Zed haven't actually played him

He does a lot less damage than a regular mage and is basically useless to his team outside of maybe picking off targets once in a while and split pushing

His safety is like the only reason he's even picked

thinking man2 votes

He's the moderate risk moderate reward assassin since he's not guaranteed to kill a target like Rengar/Talon is and his damage is quite a bit lower but he can also escape a sticky situtation easier.

Leblancs Boob1 votes

There's not much you can do against him in lane. Just farm and try to make it to late game.

Sarchiapon1 votes

Saddest part about Zed is that it's does not matter whatever you write or said to convince anyone he is balanced or what. As long as people consider him to be freelo, he is going to be permabanned and the chances to play him are rather small.

Either RioT nerf him (or better, throw a random nerf that will make some people believe he is now less appetible) so that people begin to let him free, or someone else begin to contest it's ban spot.

Incidentally, situations like the one of Zed are one of the reasons more bans are NOT to be added. You add two more bans, people will play 2 less assassins. And that's not the way to fix things if you ask me.

Narvuntien1 votes

Undo the buff he go soon after he joined the league.

increase his engery costs.. the thing about Zed is that is fires off all this damage then just jumps shadows and runs away.. then does it again. If pull off a combo left him out of engery or if using his abilities to farm left him with too little to combo he'd be balanced. He was balanced once but riot buffed him look at the change log for him.

Trídent1 votes

play Kayle or Urgot

yey

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