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Hey Riot, Lets talk about Shyvana - Dragon Form Kit

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http://images.firstcovers.com/covers/flash/s/shyvana-37006.jpg?i

Before we get into the topic I would like to inform everyone here that I UNDERSTAND your intelligence over AoE, Positioning and the stats of Shyvana being this supposedly top bruiser champion in the game. So please if you're here to talk about "it's all about positioning her ult " or " Shyvana is fine she doesn't need anything else" please leave your opinions in this thread http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/rWhYEYE7-riot-why-doesnt-shyvana-have-something-similar-to-brands-ablaze

This Thread is only about her DRAGON FORM, how Shyvana doesn't have her own special kit. The reason why I am targeting Shyvana's dragon form is because you don't get that feel of her being a Dragon, she doesn't do any type of stuff that a dragon would do besides flying, yes she spits fire but she spits dragon head fires? what kind of dragon does that? lol Now.. I've set two different Plan A and Plan B kits for her dragon form, you're free to disagree or agree with this Concept for her own Dragon Kit and you can add you're own opinion on what kit should it be, if I see that person gets tons of up votes you will be quoted into this main thread for supporting Shyvana (:

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/342/9/8/shyvana_by_ayanashii-d5nfpxq.png PLAN A Q "Flamebreath" : Just like Rumble's Q, Shyvana will spit fire for a maximum of 3 Seconds, inflicting what brand inflicts which would be Ablaze but will be called something else. It will be a cone OR it can be like Viktor's laser where shyvana spits fire across. Enemies who get hit with Shyvana's fire will also inflict true sight for the remainder of the amount of seconds they are Ablazed. (AP DAMAGE)

W "Tail Slash" : Similar to Jayce's mercury hammer, Shyvana swings her tail around causing ENEMIES (not singular) to get knocked back. (AD)

E " Dragon Stomp " : Similar to Alistar's Pulverize, Enemies within range of Shyvana are knocked up and then stunned for 0.5 seconds.

R " Dragon's Descent " : Passively leaves a trail of fire where ever shyvana is running " ( and yes she can still fly into the enemy but the enemy can push her flight back with knock backs/knock ups/ and RANGED STUNS)

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/228/e/f/shyvana_by_veina2-d5ba48k.jpg

PLAN B

Q " Fireblast" : Shyvana spits tremendous amount of fire in the direction she's facing for 2.5 seconds, causing severe burn damage to enemies for 3 seconds which would also inflict true sight. (a person on fire is like looking at a walking candle in the dark woods) (AP DAMAGE)

W " Roaring fire" : Shyvana Roars, causing the enemies around her to be feared and reduce their movement speed. (AP DAMAGE)

E " Whip slash" : Shyvana knocks back enemies within the distance of her tail.

R " Dragon's Descent " : Shyana is Immune to reduced movement speed OR Shyvana's movement speed is increased in dragon form. ( and yes she can still fly into the enemy but the enemy can push her flight back with knock backs/knock ups/ and RANGED STUNS)

If Shyvana where to have these kinds of utility within her dragon form, she will be more viable in team fights and ganking lanes (: Before thinking she's OP please refer to champions such as Azir Gnar Irelia Nidalee Riven Syndra Udyr MasterYi Alistar Lissandra Vayne Kayle AND MORE

what do those champions have in common? UTILITY. And the fact that you see them being played A LOT in rank games because of THEIR UTILITY and power.

What combinations would benefit other allies with the new shyvana kit? Brand Nocturne Yasuo Annie and more.

What would be the weakness of her dragon form? Amumu Lissandra Leona being rooted basically/stunned.

Her Normal form would be Mobility while her Dragon form will be utility and you can experience the dragon feel she deserves to have, it's unfair for Gnar Nidalee RekSai Quinn Elise to have all kinds of fun when they are in their particular form while Shyvana doesn't have any because it's the same thing as her normal self.

20 Comments

Haestro2 votes

Oh god is this Mega Gnar v2.

19 19 191 votes

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Oh god is this Mega Gnar v2.

I wouldn't consider it to be a Gnar V2 cuz it's stupid how that particular champion got that amount of CC AFTER shyvana. This WILL NOT make Shyvana as OP as you think. A lot of people are going to compare her dragon form to gnar but gnar is MORE OP than shyvana because gnar has mobility AND CC both normal self and monster self. Not only that he is a cancerous stupid idea to make him a ranged top fighter who has the ability to slow you down constantly and jump away when he know his life is in danger. It's hard to capture him as a Shyvana player when he can just jump over things to safety all the time.

His mega form's CC is more deadly than this particular CC that shyvana will have, why? because the only CC shyvana is having is knock ups and knock backs, NO STUN or Reduce movement speed. If you consider knock ups and knock backs OP then why is alistar and gnar still free to have it? Why is that some people disagree with a dragon form kit? because they FEAR the exact same thing as you're thinking, Mega Gnar v2 which is 100% FALSE.

JustMyBassCannon2 votes

HEY LEAGUE OF LEGENDS PLAYERS WHO DON'T PLAY SHYVANA!

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN, BUT WE LIKE OUR HALF-DRAGON JUST FINE

4NoxiousHours2 votes

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HEY LEAGUE OF LEGENDS PLAYERS WHO DON'T PLAY SHYVANA!

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN, BUT WE LIKE OUR HALF-DRAGON JUST FINE

...na you're just concern that you'll see people play shyvana more often, this is a game stop considering female champions as your waifus...

JustMyBassCannon2 votes

  1. What the fuck is a waifu?

  2. I do not see any need to change Shyvana's kit.

  3. Seriously, what the fuck is a waifu?

Lord Dusteon2 votes

{quoted}

  1. What the fuck is a waifu?

  2. I do not see any need to change Shyvana's kit.

  3. Seriously, what the fuck is a waifu?

Those are the things found on Japanese body pillows, right?

On topic, I don't play Shyvana, but isn't suddenly changing her ultimate from great teamfight AoE damage everywhere into that + heavy cc a bit...broken?

4NoxiousHours2 votes

{quoted}

  1. What the fuck is a waifu?

  2. I do not see any need to change Shyvana's kit.

  3. Seriously, what the fuck is a waifu?

...You basically don't want anyone to touch this champion because you like the fact that she isn't being played a lot so you can feel special that you're "maining " her...

JustMyBassCannon2 votes

False.

I see no reason to change Shyvana's kit.

This implies that I believe her kit is fine. This has nothing to do with her popularity. I personally find her playstyle enjoyable, and thus I can't understand why you want her changed.

I don't get "special feelings" because one of my mains is an unpopular pick. I get defensive of one of my favorite champions when someone who doesn't play her tells me she needs to change. Especially when their only reason is so that her ultimate will be comparable to other champions, or so that they can have the "True Dragon" playstyle that Riot never really promised with her release.

I mean, never mind that she's only half dragon.

I see no justification for changing her kit. It functions, she's strong without being overpowered, and the proposed rework would make her overpowered as fuck.

Kowe The Ewok2 votes

While I don't like your suggested kit I agree that her dragon form should be much more unique.

Personally I'ld like to see at least 3 things:

  • The Dragon transformation doesn't automatically make her jump, but it can be activated a 2nd time to do so
  • She should have a bite. She's a dragon. All dragons grab people with their mouths (possibly a small root)
  • Her breath / shout (E) should cause fear. She's a freaking dragon.
19 19 191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kowe The Ewok,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bAVUH6sU,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2014-12-27T20:54:25.909+0000)

While I don't like your suggested kit I agree that her dragon form should be much more unique.

Personally I'ld like to see at least 3 things:

  • The Dragon transformation doesn't automatically make her jump, but it can be activated a 2nd time to do so
  • She should have a bite. She's a dragon. All dragons grab people with their mouths (possibly a small root)
  • Her breath / shout (E) should cause fear. She's a freaking dragon.

I wouldn't think her mouth would root them lol more like stun xD but thanks for suggesting (:

Myrodriann2 votes

I agree with this, a lot. The bite could be a little stun, but a root or even a slow would make sense. I like the fear Idea but her breath being an AoE fear would be a bit much. I like the idea that it should be a Second Active, but then, you would kind of lose the whole "big powerful dragon transformation" type of vibe you get from her. What if on her initial transformation, she fears all enemies around her(nothing major, kinda like Voli can do to minions but a lot less time, perhaps a .5 second fear), and then you can get the whole Dragons Flight thing. But I could see potential problems in balance with this though.

4NoxiousHours1 votes

...Incoming down voters and people who disagree because they main Gnar, Azir, Vayne, Jinx, Lucian, Corki, Rek'Sai, Katarina, Fizz, And Akali. Basically Assassins/ADC mains, so they find this thread to be a threat lmfao which it's sad because it seems everyone wants to main something cheap to be good but you got my up vote (:

It's sad to see even ADC'ers have utility than shyvana, poor shyvana can get kited so easily :/...

JustMyBassCannon2 votes

{quoted}

...Incoming down voters and people who disagree because they main Gnar, Azir, Vayne, Jinx, Lucian, Corki, Rek'Sai, Katarina, Fizz, And Akali. Basically Assassins/ADC mains, so they find this thread to be a threat lmfao which it's sad because it seems everyone wants to main something cheap to be good but you got my up vote (:

"Hey, let's preempt any possible discussion to the contrary by insulting EVERYONE that doesn't like the idea!"

Myrodriann1 votes

I like the idea that she should have a different kit in dragon form, and your Plan A ones are pretty nice, but I strongly disagree with it being similar to Rumbles Q. It would fit her playstyle as her damage being continuous rather than burst, but personally, I just hate how awkward and clunky Rumbles Q is. I think Perhaps her Dragon Breath should have the same treatment as her Q does (that the CD gets reduced for every AA by .5 seconds) but only in Drag form. Also, change the visual of her E in Dragon Form, because it really is disgusting, and like you said before, it isn't very "dragonly", ahaha.

Edit: I'm not a big fan of the knockback though, because Shyv has a hard time sticking to people because any form of CC fucks her, so if she's on someone, I wouldnt want to knock someone back. The knockback would work if her W in Dragon Form made her immune to slows and roots(but not stuns), but I could see why this would be OP.

19 19 191 votes

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I like the idea that she should have a different kit in dragon form, and your Plan A ones are pretty nice, but I strongly disagree with it being similar to Rumbles Q. It would fit her playstyle as her damage being continuous rather than burst, but personally, I just hate how awkward and clunky Rumbles Q is. I think Perhaps her Dragon Breath should have the same treatment as her Q does (that the CD gets reduced for every AA by .5 seconds) but only in Drag form. Also, change the visual of her E in Dragon Form, because it really is disgusting, and like you said before, it isn't very "dragonly", ahaha.

Edit: I'm not a big fan of the knockback though, because Shyv has a hard time sticking to people because any form of CC fucks her, so if she's on someone, I wouldnt want to knock someone back. The knockback would work if her W in Dragon Form made her immune to slows and roots(but not stuns), but I could see why this would be OP.

There's a reason why i put a knock back and you figured it out quite well, Shyvana;s state now is the fact that she has a HARD TIME to stick with the enemy due to the fact that she's getting CC'd heavily, remember being a tank now a days isn't how it used to be, she can still die pretty quickly by an ADC/Assassin. Her knock back is used to either escape OR to push an enemy into the opposite side.

For example, lets say the enemy is running, when you ult you're basically FLYING OVER them so you'll be in the opposite side where you can knock them back into your team mates so they can get a kill. Now-a-days champions have outstanding mobility to escape things like thresh's lantern or lee sin's warding/dash.

Myrodriann1 votes

Its a good concept, but it would have to have the same knockback range as Lee Sin to be really effective. And In my opinion, Shyvanna isn't exactly a team oriented champion, you know? She's more of a duelist/ult in team do as much damage as possible and die type of champion. At least thats how I play her, and I've been successful playing her like so. I do like the idea of the knockup though. Instead of the kncokback maybe it should be a slow? Some form of CC, I dunno.

TakaDama1 votes

The biggest problem is similar to pre-rework Sion. She's a mess of AP, AD, and Tank. Not only that, but she also deals a variety of damage with abilities of the same scaling (Q and W for example).

In general I believe she could use some QoL changes, mostly in the form of bonus health scaling on her W and fixing the hitbox on her ult.

As far as Dragon form goes, I like the main concept: group damage. It fits well with what a dragon typically does in RPGs (that is being a boss that requires party cooperatiob to sefeat). Having said that there is another quality of life change Id make that would make Shyv better: a 1s whenever she hits an enemy marked with E with her Q. Most likely would work like Skarner passive or Udyr Bear Stance so it isnt spammable.

Raiku Kawisa1 votes

One, Gnar is already a champion who has a kit that includes heavy cc on transformation.

Two, even before Sated existed Shyvana was strong. Yes she gets kited, thats why she wants Teamfights. She can jump on the bakcline or shred tanks, both if the fight lasts long enough. Her ult is pretty much a declaration of 'Yes, I am teamfighting'. It takes her already strong kit and applies it to many targets.

Changing her ult would ruin the goto builds that are tried and true on Shyvana which is Attack Speed, Tank, and slows (Omen and Blade are godsends on Shyv) This turns her into a cc bot that mitigates her core strengths while making her a CC-bot...

Three, if you want to give her more strength, make her damn ult unstoppable. I'm so sick of getting flayed away or heaven forbid that stupid ass Azir wall...

PS. It would be fun if while in Dragon form Shyvana had a different name in chat (like Eggnivia or Mega Gnar)

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