Basically the title.
Why not make it so that only 4800 and up priced champs are able to be received via the chests we earn from getting an S on a champion for the first time.
Getting anything below that definitely doesn't feel like a reward, but getting a 4800 or a 6300 feels pretty cool and I own all but 6 champions. Even if you don't want that champ or need the shard for a mastery level up it's still an okay chunk of BE.
Smitty Manjensen13 votesThese boxes shouldn't have any champion shards anymore, you get plenty of them through leveling and honor capsules, these should now only have skin shards.
Placentas7 votesPersonally I agree with you. Ideally we should be rewarded with a skin shard especially since the orange essence conversion is so painfully low now.
But realistically Riot isn't going to do this. My idea is pretty much just a compromise between players and Riot.
Smitty Manjensen2 votesPersonally I agree with you. Ideally we should be rewarded with a skin shard especially since the orange essence conversion is so painfully low now.
But realistically Riot isn't going to do this. My idea is pretty much just a compromise between players and Riot.
When you put it that way, making them at least have higher tier champions would be good for the time being.
Pierce The Veal1 votesThese boxes shouldn't have any champion shards anymore, you get plenty of them through leveling and honor capsules, these should now only have skin shards.
Yeah especially consideringthe last four hextech boxes I opened had a champion shard in it. I am slightly suspecting they upped the chances of getting a champ shard from those.
Jaspers5 votesA good idea, anything is better than working hard on a champ, getting that S- and getting a Nunu champ shard. Honour Capsules also need a rethink. I received 1 since preseason, had 2 champs shards in it. Seems kind of pointless now with leveling capsules, they could make those champ perminants... maybe.
Barley3 votesOr they could let us reroll shards. That would be GREAT. And no duplicates from rerolling ;^)
Placentas1 votesYeah honor capsules feel really weak right now. We get a slight "boost" in key frags, but I have read those key frags aren't even extra; they are a part of the set amount we are able to receive during a given month. It doesn't feel like a reward, but it's better than nothing at the same time. However passing it off as a reward is what makes it feel weak.
It kind of says become honor 4 and then don't give a damn because you'll get honor capsules same as lvl 5 and you have already seen that you will get a ward that matches the color of your honor level as a reward anyway.
Spacesuit Spiff1 votesIirc they clarified that an honor capsule counts as just one key frag in the monthly allowance, despite having more frags inside
nomeensno1 votesWhat is this mythical honor capsule? Is that the multiple keys I get every day?
Kanzler3 votesNo. There should be no champion shards in those chests. Not when we can now get stupid shit like emotes in them too.
MisoTroll1 votesNo. There should be no champion shards in those chests. Not when we can now get stupid shit like emotes in them too.
I have opened something like 8 (?) and the only time I got a champ shard, I also got A SECOND BOX WITH A KEY. So literally free BE at no cost. Just fkin stop.
Sihari1 votesWell, not everybody is lucky like you. I got a Katarina-Shard without something else in my last chest.
MisoTroll1 votesWell, not everybody is lucky like you. I got a Katarina-Shard without something else in my last chest.
Well, see, you're categorically caught in a lie because you are GUARANTEED 810 BE minimum from a level up chest. Nice try though...
Well, not everybody is lucky like you.
When will you people understand that RNG (and therefore statistics) have very little to do with luck??? If you play a STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT number of games, youR BE gains will not be above average, they will not be below average, THEY WILL BE EXACTLY FUCKING AVERAGE. THAT IS LITERALLY THE DEFINITION OF AVERAGE.
Sihari1 votesWell, see, you're categorically caught in a lie because you are GUARANTEED 810 BE minimum from a level up chest. Nice try though...
Did I ever say, that I got it from a Level-Chest? No. This Post is about the chests you earn by getting a S-Rank!
When will you people understand that RNG (and therefore statistics) have very little to do with luck??? If you play a STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT number of games, youR BE gains will not be above average, they will not be below average, THEY WILL BE EXACTLY FUCKING AVERAGE. THAT IS LITERALLY THE DEFINITION OF AVERAGE.
Same thing here. I didnt talk about getting to few BE, I only corrected you, because you implied, that everytime you get a champshard in Hextech-Chests (Note: still no Level-Capsules in sight!) you get a bonus chest on top, which would be far away from a reason to cry about, if it would be true. But sadly you are one of the few ppl who had a bit luck and the point the OP made is still valid.
MisoTroll1 votesDid I ever say, that I got it from a Level-Chest? No. This Post is about the chests you earn by getting a S-Rank!
So you are complaining about Riot giving you FREE SHIT??? That's mature...
because you implied, that everytime you get a champshard in Hextech-Chests (Note: still no Level-Capsules in sight!) you get a bonus chest on top
Wrong. I implied nothing. You inferred this, and incorrectly. I merely pointed out that there is clearly a chance of this occurring.
luck
Must you force me to rant about how luck has virtually NO impact on statistical average again?
Thiadel1 votesOtherwise known as "My experience is more valid than yours so there's no reason to complain."
BE may be the same, it just doesn't feel as rewarding. Honor capsules have keys, so why do level capsules have keys? Level capsules are nothing but champions, so why keep champion shards in the Hextech boxes when the RNG is literal garbage? People who buy those boxes are getting scammed. Big time.
MisoTroll1 votesOtherwise known as "My experience is more valid than yours so there's no reason to complain."
BE may be the same, it just doesn't feel as rewarding. Honor capsules have keys, so why do level capsules have keys? Level capsules are nothing but champions, so why keep champion shards in the Hextech boxes when the RNG is literal garbage? People who buy those boxes are getting scammed. Big time.
BE may be the same, it just doesn't feel as rewarding.
Facts don't care about your feelings. We're done here.
Honor capsules have keys, so why do level capsules have keys?
Literally because you don't read. Honor capsules are basically IN PLACE of keys, and you get them randomly. So if your honor is high enough, you have a chance of getting a capsule INSTEAD of a key, not IN ADDITION. Also, the extra keys from these capsules count toward your monthly key frag cap, so it's not like you get extra keys, you just get them faster.
People who buy those boxes are getting scammed. Big time.
Then don't buy boxes...I've literally just solved all your problems...
Thiadel1 votesNo, facts don't care about my or anyone else's feelings, but RIOT should be the ones considering their customer base's feelings. If their customers feel slighted, their customers aren't giving them money. Simple cause and effect.
If honor capsules are in place of keys, in addition to or matching the keys I get normally, they DO NOT HAVE ANY USE IN OTHER CAPSULES. We already have emotes added into the mixture, we don't need another useless item in boxes that are already over-crowded.
It shouldn't matter whether I buy boxes or not. What matters is that Riot is practicing bad business habits and are being defended by Riot Defenders--people like you who believe they can do no wrong because facts. Here's a fact for ya since you seem like that type of person. The majority of their customer base that I've seen complaining know Riot have done wrong and Riot appear unwilling to fix their mistakes AKA the Orange Essence fiasco. Please, enlighten me to the fact that they did, in fact, tell us specifically that Orange Essence was included in the shard changes, that they didn't just ASSUME that everyone would ASSUME that the general term "shards" meant every single shard in their loot option when the previous sentences specifically stated champion shards. I'll wait.
Literally your passive aggressive attitude does no one, least of all you, any good whatsoever. Your blatant Riot favoritism blinds you to the mistakes they make in favor of the little they've "done right" by the facts they give you. I notice you only address what you view as "incorrect" and ignore the potential statements I've made on other highly contested opinions.
How about you stop being a Riot Defender and actually debate with the ones who view Riot in a negative light instead of pushing yourself further up their ass in the hopes that senpai will notice you?
MisoTroll1 votesNo, facts don't care about my or anyone else's feelings, but RIOT should be the ones considering their customer base's feelings. If their customers feel slighted, their customers aren't giving them money. Simple cause and effect.
The problem here is that Riot has gone and actually made it EASIER to unlock champs, so going back would actually be taking shit away from the playerbase. It's one thing to consider the feelings of the customer, and entirely another for a company to bend over backwards for a couple of vocal idiots (no offense) who "feel" like they are being slighted when they are handed, say $75 a week instead of $10 a day (note: numbers are entirely hypothetical and have no actual real-life meaning except to make my point).
If honor capsules are in place of keys, in addition to or matching the keys I get normally, they DO NOT HAVE ANY USE IN OTHER CAPSULES. We already have emotes added into the mixture, we don't need another useless item in boxes that are already over-crowded.
I don't understand your argument here. Honor capsules are guaranteed to contain 2 key frags and have a chance to contain other stuff (ie medieval twitch, etc), ergo they are more or less just trying to make you feel rewarded for not being a dick. Frivolous yes, but hey, you might get a unique skin.
What matters is that Riot is practicing bad business habits
Then let the market decide this. That's the beauty of capitalism, you don't need to impose regulations, the market just polices itself.
Riot Defenders--people like you who believe they can do no wrong because facts.
LOL OMFG. I absolutely HATE Riot Games. They are entirely corrupt and in general don't give a fuck about their playerbase. I have made numerous threads (on my main account) regarding the overtly unethical manner in which they ban people without even considering the context of their actions or the fact that passwords/accounts do, in fact, get stolen. I think they are greedy, self-righteous, cucked pieces of shit 9 times out of 10. But this is the 1/10 scenario.
Literally your passive aggressive attitude does no one, least of all you, any good whatsoever.
Not being passive-aggressive at all. If anything I'm just being downright aggressive. Difference being that I don't pretend to occupy a moral highground. Kinda like you're doing now...
Your blatant Riot favoritism
LOL again, but I mentioned that above so I won't comment again.
How about you stop being a Riot Defender and actually debate with the ones who view Riot in a negative light instead of pushing yourself further up their ass in the hopes that senpai will notice you?
Hmm, that passive-aggressive bit is starting to sound a bit hypocritical, don't you think? (and yes, this was intended to come off as ironically passive-aggressive).
Thiadel1 votesDid I actually say that it was harder to get champions? I don't think I did, I simply said that BE doesn't feel rewarding. I'll expand on that--since it's a lump sum instead of a growth over time that can physically be seen, the progress of BE gain seems underwhelming. Leveling up a third alt account just to see how the new changes compare to trying to level up my second alt feels much better--I agree that it's easier for pre-30s to obtain champions. My third has 10 champions at level 18 while my second has maybe 6 at level 28. The issue here is that after you have all 140 champions, your BE stagnates. It seems as if Riot is basically trying to make the BE sink in unlocking masteries, because they don't know what else they can actively offer without shooting themselves in the foot.
On the issue of keys, if keys are promised in honor capsules, I'm saying that we don't need those key fragments in other capsules like the champion shard capsules (I've gotten key fragments from those, no Hextech boxes whatsoever to go with them) or the actual Hextech loot boxes. Riot has inundated the boxes by putting emote chances on top of what is already in the boxes. They need to be purged and certain items need to be reverted to just one particular capsule or box.
The market is going to decide it--I've seen so many people say they've spent their last dime with Riot. While you'll still have the spenders, I'm going to err on the side that the ones not wanting to continue spending money are the majority.
As for your stance, I'm glad to know you aren't a bleeding heart Riot Defender, but you come in here aggressive like you did, you're going to be labeled as one as I did to you. Completely ignoring the fact that Riot's recent changes have caused issues is not the way to fix them. Even if you feel like BE is a system that works and is rewarding in the long run, there are other issues that are not. Again, I see you haven't addressed THOSE parts of my spiel... Too much truth or just something you can't debate?
And it's called fighting fire with fire. I live in the South. Passive aggressive is a national sport here. ;)
MisoTroll1 votesDid I actually say that it was harder to get champions?
Given that champion purchases is no the ONLY mandatory thing to spend BE on, any argument not centered around this isn't really valid. Sure, you can complain about the increased cost of mastery icons, but I can counter that one too.
The issue here is that after you have all 140 champions, your BE stagnates
Yes, and? People who already have all the content aren't really the target here.
It seems as if Riot is basically trying to make the BE sink in unlocking masteries, because they don't know what else they can actively offer without shooting themselves in the foot.
Of course it is, and it always was, and this is a damn sight better than just accumulating tens if not hundreds of thousands of BE. And since you actually did bring up master, I'll put this argument out there: you get them at the same rate. Previously, you had to buy champ shards (3 usually) for 1700 IP. That means 5100 IP to upgrade to mastery level 7 (somewhat more likely to get enough after only 2 for level 6). Now it's 3250 and 3900 BE to upgrade to 6 and 7, respectively. Due to the chance of getting high value shards, the average rate of mastery unlock should be unaffected by this change.
Riot has inundated the boxes by putting emote chances on top of what is already in the boxes. They need to be purged and certain items need to be reverted to just one particular capsule or box.
Inundated is a strong word, but I agree that I don't like getting emotes. However, this is free stuff, so please don't complain about getting enough of it.
As for your stance, I'm glad to know you aren't a bleeding heart Riot Defender, but you come in here aggressive like you did, you're going to be labeled as one as I did to you
A real Riot defender will be incredibly polite and bend over and let you fuck them, then report you for it and get you banned (clearly this is how Riot wants to handle toxicity, therefore their supporters engage wholeheartedly in this cuckoldery).
Kanzler1 votesWell aren't you lucky. I get my chest every week and not only have i gotten 1 gemstone ever, i also get champ shards more often than not. Level up chests are for blue essence.
MisoTroll1 votesWell aren't you lucky. I get my chest every week and not only have i gotten 1 gemstone ever, i also get champ shards more often than not. Level up chests are for blue essence.
Well aren't you lucky
Aaaaand here we go again:
RNG (aka statistics) has virtually NOTHING to do with luck. Stop it. Just. Fucking. Stop.
Also, Riot has literally stated that they have put protections in place to prevent long streaks of exactly what you claim to have suffered. Ergo, I call you fake news.
Quepha3 voteswhat? no. i do that to get skins, not champions.
MisoTroll2 votesO.M.F.G. Here we go again. Listen good bud, YOU GET EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF BE/IP AS YOU DID IN THE PREVIOUS SYSTEM, SO STOP COMPLAINING. Riot has literally fixed the parameters of the system so that you will on average (ie ALWAYS AFTER A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF GAMES) obtain an equal amount of (potential) BE as the previous IP system. Stop. Fucking. Complaining.
Placentas4 votesUm reading comprehension isn't a skill you have leveled up is it? I didn't even talk about BE conversion or wanting more lol
Wont0n2 votesI agree. The only reason i was never angry when i got a nunu champion shard in the old system was because i knew i could always reroll 3 low value shards to get a new champ i didn't own. Now that rerolling is gone, gettting 90 BE from a hextech chest just seems like a huge waste of time.
PeachyPosterior1 votesI think I'd rather have more champ shards in the leveling capsules and more skins in the chests.