Cassiopeia the "ap adc"

Leu07··3 votes·2,256 views

I just think this idea really just sucks, lategame where she is suppose to shine, adcs will do the same or even more damage with their AA than cass with her E, also they can ALWAYS use it (extraordinary exceptions like blind though), also an adc will melt turrets faster than cass. So what is so special about cassiopeia? honestly you need to work really hard on her to get the exact results (even less) that other champs get so much easier. I really hope they fix Cassiopeia in the mage update and the rework wont be another lazy job. Come on, aspect of the sperent is the most lazy thing you could have done to her, no real interaction, its just a nerf early to make her the same she was before rework once she gets stacks, it is really really bad and boring AF.

Just wanted to give the daily "cassiopeia sucks" post.

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Bonipherus3 votes

Making a dps mage is cool and all but... yeah... a marksman will ultimately be more efficient at dps than Cassiopeia because:

  1. marksmen are still useful without mana and will have better mana sustain options than she does.
  2. marksmen don't have to land skillshots in order to use their autos.
  3. marksmen don't have a mandatory 0.5 second delay between autos (graves and jhin are now the exceptions).
  4. marksmen synchronize better with lifesteal (spellvamp in her case).
  5. marksmen auto attacks crit.
Shac Norris2 votes

I wasn't too fond of the 1.3k ap without mejai.

Pretty sure she's fine the way she is

Leu073 votes

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I wasn't too fond of the 1.3k ap without mejai.

Pretty sure she's fine the way she is

Ewww mejai on cass wtf.

Shac Norris1 votes

Bro, i was talking about the fact that mejai gives you 180ap (or something among those lines)

1 800 MID LANE2 votes

Have you not seen all the board posts about how bad she is?

Shac Norris1 votes

I played her and did just fine, so i don't get all the posts about her being bad and stuff.

1 800 MID LANE2 votes

She's not bad in the sense that she sucks. She's bad in the sense that she does virtually nothing but spam E and if you hit one E on the wrong target, your damage output drops to pretty well zero. She brings nothing to the table that some champ already doesn't do better and that champ is probably more forgiving of missing one ability.

Shac Norris1 votes

Isn't spamming E all day long what she's always done? Her poison damage on her Q deals decent damage, her ultimate is a well balanced nuke and her E was made to shred squishies, wasn't that how she was designed in the first place?

1 800 MID LANE1 votes

In essence, yes, but her rework made her so mana hungry that she can easily fail at shredding squishies early on before she gets a tear fully stacked. Even then, it can be a long shot. Her kit is designed to be a dps mage, but her mana cost prevent her from doing this properly and she's mostly limited to playing like an assassin/burst mage because of it. The problem there is that she has absolutely no way to get out and no way to defend herself if she even succeeds at killing the target in the first place. She's getting looked at soon, though, so it's not really an issue to worry about much longer.

I suppose my original statement was wrong to some degree, after I re-read it.

Basically, what people are saying is that she's not fun to play and not rewarding of it, either.

Dark Nephthys2 votes

She is pretty weak, though I wouldn't consider her the "AP ADC". Though she does spam a skill which basically becomes some what "close" to the speed of an adc, but I feel the only champion that really could be called the late game AP ADC is Azir since he actually has the highest attacks speed (usually) for mages and gets all his damage through auto attacks. Though you could also count Kayle Teemo, since they're attack speed and reliance to auto attacks are as much (or some what higher) than Azir.

TonsOfGains1 votes

Not disputing that Cass is kinda weak right now. However, this is more due to the meta than her actual kit. If you're comparing her to the average ADC, the average ADC also doesn't have a potential 5 man stun.

Quepha3 votes

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Not disputing that Cass is kinda weak right now. However, this is more due to the meta than her actual kit. If you're comparing her to the average ADC, the average ADC also doesn't have a potential 5 man stun.

Calling Cass's ult even a potential 5 man stun is a huge joke. The enemy needs to actually be asleep for all 5 of them to all fail to realize they can click on any point on literally 50% of their screen and instantly avoid the stun.

Leu072 votes

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Calling Cass's ult even a potential 5 man stun is a huge joke. The enemy needs to actually be asleep for all 5 of them to all fail to realize they can click on any point on literally 50% of their screen and instantly avoid the stun.

Then only good way to use her ultimate that can affect a tf is R+Flash and then again it is extremely unreliable and you will be burning your only scape.

TonsOfGains1 votes

All I said was potential.

I've also seen it happen before. It's not difficult, just depends on the scenario. It has no casting time nor channel, so if the enemy isn't expecting it you can pull it off. But again, reliability is a whole different topic. I'm just saying it has potential, and that should be factored in. I mean Janna revolves around the fact that her Q is a potential 5 man knock up, even though it's only potential and rarely happens.

The Queen Viper1 votes

Well, she doesn't suck but she's kinda meh... hope they do something meaningful this time.

Protokai1 votes

it would be cool if they reworked her to work kinda like this but she would feel alot like kayle or teemo it would be cool if they made like a poison system were her E acts like an empowered auto that if it hits a champion who is poisoned it would stay active so you could attack again with it just sounds kinda cool to me but i doubt it will happen

Romans 81 votes

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it would be cool if they reworked her to work kinda like this but she would feel alot like kayle or teemo it would be cool if they made like a poison system were her E acts like an empowered auto that if it hits a champion who is poisoned it would stay active so you could attack again with it just sounds kinda cool to me but i doubt it will happen

No, don't empower the auto. That's what makes her a counter to Teemo. :)

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