She is one of the most mana hungry champs in league, almost every mage received more base mana and more mana regen on the pbe, why was Cassiopeia overlooked? AGAIN!
Edit 1: Pbe update just went out and guess what? No Cassiopeia change nor Cassiopeia skin, I know this is different, but for God sake, when is she going to get a new skin? The Cassiopeia hate is so ridiculous, incredible...
Canastus30 votesI remember making a thread about this few weeks ago, of course Riot couldn't care less despite all the attention it received. Shows how little they really care about this failure of a champion. For god's sake, at least put her on the champion update schedule instead of delaying work on her for who knows how long. She's literally the new Urgot.
Anyways, keep it up brother. I shall support any fellow Cassmain on their quest for justice.
AbyssionKnight4 votesTechnically, whether she's on the list or not on the list is irrelevant, since it's clear they do not know what direction to take Cass in, or necessarily what people enjoyed about Cass.
So putting her on the rework schedule is pointless, or possibly even harmful, since she'll either remain delayed indefinitely, or they'll rush out another rework that doesn't work out.
So while I think it's great you want to save your fav champion, I do think you need to be a little less biased when it comes to Riot and their intentions.
Silents4295 votesYou're right, let's have them drop everything and focus on your main just because.
Who cares about everyone else right?
Malicious Metal27 votesI feel you, it sucks having one's favorite champion left to rot/rust.
Especially when the problems aren't even talked about even if they're as glaring as Cass'
Pyro7 votesA year ago, I would have been beging for a Brand rework. Never picked in competitive play, shat on by all the mobile mages, outranged by poke mages, outperformed by zone control mages, completely invalidated by Yasuo, forced to buy chunks of health in Liandrylai instead of mana regen, CDR or better AP.
Now... "nah I'm ok".
FiniteParadox222 votesI still feel for you man, whenever I see a Mordekaiser I can't help but feel a twinge in my heart strings for both one of my old favorite champs and Malcious Metal. <3
Clyde Cash13 votesI made the same topic but for 
but nobody gave a shit. Pretty dumb how Cass is being left out too
The Yetii Rider3 votesI made the same topic but for
Singed doesn't buy mana pots. He just uses Flask.
A Liberal7 votesand now that Corrupting Potion is a thing, Singed is gonna have a pretty gnarly early game
Yenn12 votesCass is already unplayable. It won't really matter, because nobody should be playing her unless they want to put their team at a disadvantage.
The Queen Viper6 votesShe's only "unplayable" if people don't know how to play her properly.
Otherwise, she's mediocre but you can still do just fine with her.
A Liberal10 votesI always hate when people say "
are unplayable!" Like um... no? Sure you may have to learn them a little bit (Except Sona, you can literally be blind and play Sona), but they all have winrates of ~50%, some down to 46ish at times, but by no means unplayable.
When a champion is truly "unplayable" (IE Bard on Release), riot will buff them. People just love jumping on the bandwagon.
That said, this champions do all have problems and can be better executed, but by no means are they unplayable.
Solumindra9 votesCass has a bad winrate even in Dia+....she really does need buffs. bad.
A Liberal4 votesShe has a 47.7% Winrate In diamond according to LoL king. Its pretty bad, but still not unplayable.
RedCyclone8 votesif Sona is a great champion and easy to play then why does no one play her? Sounds like a recipe for freelo if you ask me
A Liberal4 votes~6% Pick rate in NA normals. Compared to an actually unpopular champion like Cass (~1.5%), I wouldn't say "nobody plays her"
RedCyclone7 votesShe is still among the bottom of the barrel support picks She is also still a cruise control support, who anyone who knows anything about the game can pick up and play while shitting out invisible power and do somewhat well while dying in every teamfight
The point about Sona is that she feels like shit to play, much like how Cass does
Archadria1 votesI always hate when people say "
When a champion is truly "unplayable" (IE Bard on Release), riot will buff them. People just love jumping on the bandwagon.
That said, this champions do all have problems and can be better executed, but by no means are they unplayable.
These champions are some of the best counterpicks available in a lane. I play a bit of ranked and I see these guys a ton, yorick being one of my mains in 3v3's. Cassiopeia just destroys people level 2-3 it's all about not spamming abilities too much, and being able to make it count. Call your jungler, get ahead.
A Liberal2 votesNah evidently having a great early game means you're trash tier now
Dominick Destine1 votesI always hate when people say "
Who says Evelynn is unplayable? she's somewhat regularly banned and semi-often picked in Diamond. She was also picked in several Worlds matches ... and lost, but picked nonetheless.
Miku Hime sama3 votesYou're omitting the fact that the Worlds patch was played prior to multiple Eve nerfs that happened after. That's misleading and you probably did it on purpose.
AWildAPKalista2 votesClearly you've never actually played Sona after 4.13 or even bothered looking at her shitty excuse for a kit. I always hate it when bronzies talk like they know what they're saying.
Dominick Destine3 votes[{quoted}](name=Snake on bush,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GIL1tqAq,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-11-10T11:22:14.871+0000)
She's only "unplayable" if people don't know how to play her properly.
Not you again... she's unplayable because she's complete shit compared to the alternatives... and the stats bare this out. Take any dedicated Diamond Yasuo main, put him against a dedicated Diamond Cass main and watch her take it up the Snake Cloaka with no lubrication.
Cass is garbage... and in case that isn't a good example, then take Ahri, Azir, Fizz, Ekko or literally any of the other powerful/popular mid. Cass needs buffs, she is putrid scoriae.
The Queen Viper3 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GIL1tqAq,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2015-11-10T20:39:26.916+0000)
Not you again...
Are you somehow surprised to see actual Cassio mains in a Cass related thread or something?
[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GIL1tqAq,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2015-11-10T20:39:26.916+0000)
she's unplayable because she's complete shit compared to the alternatives...
Wrong. She's mediocre at best. People simply do not know how to play her properly.
[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GIL1tqAq,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2015-11-10T20:39:26.916+0000)
Take any dedicated Diamond Yasuo main, put him against a dedicated Diamond Cass main and watch her take it up the Snake Cloaka with no lubrication.
Yasuo isn't even that hard to lane against, since he's melee ... and all melee champs have an inherit disadvantage against Cass, especially if you are smart and pick Exhaust.
ApexInTheCircle10 votesI've said this before and I'll say this again. Even as a non Cass main I feel your guys' pain, it truly sucks to have a champion you love overlooked and neglected. From what I've seen of Cass in the few games she's in, she is in dire need of love and attention. So there fore take my +1 and know that half the community stands behind you on this one. Be we Cass players or not.
Oerba No Naja9 votesits disgusting how riot is ignoring cass , its been hundreds of thread before her rework and we are here , pre s6 and still nothing . reworking teemo and answering at meme threads is more worth i guess
A Liberal7 votes
me too bby... me too....
Partholonian2 votes
I wonder if this was actually intended or they really just missed some. It seems like it wouldn't be that hard to go through every champion in alphabetical order (or whatever order they're in the data files) and say "is this champ manaless? have we changed their mana stats?"
A Liberal3 votesNah, Annie doesn't need it. Her q Mana Refund + Dorans Ring is broken AF. "But muh lissandra sustain!" 18 seconds, huge mana costs.... so many mana issues.
Orianna... I have no clue. Im sad that I literally will be unable to play her in the support role after today.
Hollandiae6 votesReading all of this is very disturbing. I was hoping to buy Cassiopeia because I was interested in her mechanics and she'd be my first dedicated mage/mid lane champ.
I'll probably buy her anyway, but all this talk what state she's in makes me really apprehensive.
High55 votesI like Cass, but she's not a good mid to start with. Think of her like an AP jinx. Great when protected, dead on her own. Cass has high burst damage, but no utility or escape except for her ult. Same reason Malz hasn't really been playable in a long time.
Both are, at best, team comp dependent and very situational picks that are highlly susceptible to assassins and decent ganking junglers.
Hollandiae2 votesIn that case I can certainly wait on buying her. I mostly play support and am looking to branch out a bit before I get too comfortable. I'll look at other champs in the meantime, maybe Karthus or Viktor.
Unless I can play her support. That'd be the day!
Thanks for the info!
ZT Xperimentor2 votesSeen a triple poison lane once, teemo twitch & cassiopia, looked brutal until they lost their other lanes.
20Seven2 votesIn bronze-silver, Malz is FREELO in most cases.
Z463 votesMalzahar is pretty freelo at all ranks. He consistently has one of the highest solo queue win rates out of all mid laners. It's unfortunate that he has less than a 4% play rate, but his win rate only rises the more someone plays him, and that's good news for mains.
He preys on lone players. His 1v1 threat utterly dominates, and one spell rotation can and will shred anything from squishies to hypertanks. However, he's focused entirely on single target damage. This alone hurts his viability against a coordinated team greatly, and it's why he doesn't ever need nerfs. One player fighting on their own will almost definitely get their sorry ass beat, but a team will destroy him completely.
HayRoss6 votesYou mean Riot blatantly ignored Cassiopeia?
And you find this news?
TheXtractor4 votes"Mana problems"
If Twin Fang kills the target, it refunds its mana cost (+ 1.5% maximum mana).
If the target is Poison icon poisoned, Twin Fang's cooldown is reduced to a static 0.5 seconds.
You mean, Free mana machine?
The Queen Viper12 votesYes, mana problems. Cass is forced to rush a Tear ffs.
Twin Fang mana refund is only useful when you are farming minions.
It doesn't help you when you want to trade, harass, or if you actually want to win your lane. Not to mention if you want to take objectives with your team.
TheXtractor2 votesSo? Almost any other AP mid doesnt have free mana when farming, so cassio can easily farm up without losing any mana. and its not like mana items are bad anyway. can get a tear and easily farm it up with low cd skills while keeping mana high cuz ur farming and then u'll be a lategame carry in no time.
Excitidly Insane7 votes
Kennen and Akali are Energy based.
And it's entirely possible to go out of mana if you mess up a combo. Also, the 1.5 maximum mana just isn't good, Even with a tear you get 40 ish mana back per E KILL, not cast. Depending on your lane rival, they can eat up a lot of E's before going down and on top of that Q costs 40 mana so the return is basically null.
Z462 votesLissandra's mana regen was left to rot just like Cassiopeia's, because she gets one free spellcast every 18 seconds (reduced by 1 second for every enemy CCed by her spells). These are completely different reasons.
If you wanted to compare Cassiopeia to another champion with a mana refund, then let me enlighten you to 
, another victim left without mana or regen buffs. Just like Cassiopeia, Malzahar's mana refund mechanic is tied to his ability to CS efficiently with the bounce from Malefic Visions, and using his spells to harass can leave him high and dry even faster than the gorgon just if you're not lucky with minion positioning, let alone messing up a combo.
Excitidly Insane2 votesTotally agree with Malzahar, I've played him before and quite a lot during Season 3 when I first started League cause he was just awesome, spell and thematic-wise. That being said, I've never ran into THAT many mana issues because with any mage except Lissandra I'm flippin' Scrooge McDuck. Oh and Ziggs. I eat Ziggs mana bar faster than most people would kill for a Klondike bar.
This all being said, I guess it's up to individual playstyle. I never classified Malz as someone you should go ham with until later on when your mana pool is larger, but eh that's just me :|
Audiomancy7 votes"Mana problems"
If Twin Fang kills the target, it refunds its mana cost (+ 1.5% maximum mana).
If the target is Poison icon poisoned, Twin Fang's cooldown is reduced to a static 0.5 seconds.
You mean, Free mana machine?
1.5% mana is absolutely nothing when you're firing out 90 mana every half a second.
Blue Moon Wolf4 votesQuite a few champs got left out. I know my main didn't get one and he hasn't been touched in 3 years aside from a bug fix here and there. guess they think the refillable potions will be enough to cover you. #Rito Logic
Mooninites4 votesShe just needs some help and an identity. She went from being a decent poke champion with strong early and late game. to being a low-mid range mage with no mobility, mana issues, and an incredibly weak early-mid game. She has far too many weaknesses and really nothing about her is particularly strong that makes her worth picking over other mid laners
CarameI Frappe4 votesI'll always love for she was my first character to reach lvl 5 mastery ... but, yeah I can't play her.
Unless Riot fixes her, she's only good 1v1 and only works if well protected by ally team. Otherwise a gank or simple mishap can leave Cass hurting bad. Even in balanced team fights, if she is aimed for first- she's screwed. Can't do objectives nor handle herself, too mana hungry with other numerous problems. Riot please update her when you can.
The Queen Viper2 votesCan't do objectives nor handle herself.
She can actually, but obviously not during the early game.
CarameI Frappe3 votes.. Early game? She can't do it later game either sadly. If she gets stunned at any point, her E goes on CD. Unless she has ult to boot, it takes 1-2 seconds to shoot that off in comparison with an assassin's abilities. Cass really lacks the requirements to survive. She's only good if uninterrupted and even then, can't get much done in getting objectives done.
That isn't even counting if Cass is struggling in mid because the jungler on enemy's side keeps camping. She's utterly screwed man.
A Liberal4 votesWtf just realized Orianna didn't get any....
Spoofghoul4 votesAs a sad 
main i agree and stand with you mains. It sucks to see Rito bully your favorite champion then neglect it for forever.
