What is Riot's problem with Lissandra?

Trias000··5 votes·763 views

I know this will seem like a QQ thread (well, to be honest, partially it is), but I'd really like to know the reasoning behind her nerfs. In 6.17 Lissandra had 49% winrate according to champion.gg (which considers plat+ games). She was quite rare in ranked games and I don't think anyone considered her OP. She was played a bit in pro games, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think she was too oppressive there. She's probably the shortest-ranged mage in the entire game and she doesn't have any shields in her kit, unlike many mages that are safer to play (due to much higher range - (Annie Azir Karma Lux Malzahar Morgana Orianna Viktor ).

I read the description in the patch:

However, her innate tankiness is also outclassing other burst mages, making her choice too easy: ult an enemy because she’s probably going to live anyway.

And to me it seems like bs. First, like I mentioned, she isn't really more tanky than Lux or Viktor. Even though Lux doesn't even need to be tanky, because she can snipe people from 10km away (btw, Lux received a buff in this patch, despite having higher winrate than Lissandra - that is just some twisted logic I can't comprehend). Second, to me her "innate tankiness" is far from enough to be able to engage and survive more than 2s close enough to the enemy team to be able to deal any damage. If I get so close to the enemy team (not to mention diving their backline), I usually die in less than 0.5s, often before I manage to use my ult and/or Zhonya. Yes, I know it's because I'm bad. I'm perfectly aware of that. But even bad players are sometimes useful to their team. To me, I can either stop playing my favourite champion altogether, or be useless in every game.

PS. Downvote this thread all you want, but at least be so kind to provide an explaination, please.

12 Comments

Ulquiorra9952 votes

LIss is unfortunately one of those champions. As long as she has her ult she'll be a threat in pro play, despite all the nerfs in other areas she might receive. Just hope that she gets some love after the Worlds - tho its a faint hope knowing Rito's history with reverting stuff for any reason.

Oleandervine2 votes

This dislike they have for her, they need to let it go, and not hold her back anymore. They need to not care what people will say, because her chill doesn't bother many people anyway.

RcGjWO640w1 votes

Azir doesn't really have a shield. He has an "oops, I just bumped into someone as one of the squishiest champs in the game, so I need a buffer to likely survive the next 3 seconds of engagement".

Mylon Requiem1 votes

*1 second of engagement

FTFY

RcGjWO640w1 votes

Tyty

EMeta1 votes

This is the Worlds patch. She's one of the few mid-laners would would be left at top-tier in pro play after the Vlad/Taliyah nerfs.

JafarThePanda1 votes

lissandra ult + built-in flash ability it has on that ice claw ability (whatever it is) + zhonyas + base hp scaling way too high for a midlaner = hard as fuck to kill

Trias0001 votes

{quoted} base hp scaling way too high for a midlaner

Zed has 1939 hp at level 18, Talon has 2028, Katarina - 1921. You probably meant a mage, not a midlaner in general. But like I said, Lissandra is on the lower end of the range spectrum as far as mages are concerned, so she's inbetween mages and melees in this regard.

Trias0001 votes

47% winrate. Congratulation's to Riot's "balancing" team. Once again they prove they know what they're doing.

L0ve Is Blue1 votes

Their problem with lissandra is that she counters Zed and Yasuo

Catastrop1 votes

Inb4 Treune81(I can't remember the correct spelling of his name) comes in and starts a flame war.

The Deckowner1 votes

it is because protobelt gives her too much burst

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