Could champions in the scoreboard be arranged automatically?

Trias000·Mar 3, 2016·160 votes·5,030 views

Since in ranked and draft mode the game knows who plays where, it could automatically arrange champions on the scoreboard (the one that appears in game when you press tab) in the following order:

Top
Jungle
Mid
Bot (adc)
Support The same way it is arranged in pro game casts, I believe.

[Edit] Or, even better, you could choose your own preferred order in the options.

[Edit2] Now that I think about it, maybe it shouldn't work for the enemy team, because it would reveal their strategy - the element of uncertainty of a flex pick can be a part of it. So maybe it should only apply to own team.

65 Comments

Vistha KaiMar 3, 20167 votes

What surprises me is the fact that the order in the champ select has completely nothing to do with the one in-game.

Let alone the fact roles aren't organized like they've been for years in LCS.

Sure some people may want their lane on top, but with everything sorted, it's just two clicks, as opposed to like 20 currently.

General Esdeath Mar 4, 20161 votes

well the thing is in LCS it's customs and they sit in the order they go in.

ModWulf HelhammerMar 3, 20164 votes

It doesn't take long to reorder it yourself, and not everyone uses the same method of sorting it

Trias000Mar 3, 20163 votes

{quoted}

It doesn't take long to reorder it yourself

Still, it wouldn't hurt, would it?

not everyone uses the same method of sorting it

Then... it doesn't take long to reorder it

ModWulf HelhammerMar 3, 20161 votes

Then why bother doing it in the first place? It's minimal impact for not even the entire playbase, so it's not worth Riot spending time to do it

KING 5HARKMar 4, 20162 votes

100% soloq doesnt have an impact for the entire playerbase. Not worth spending time on it too?

MalhammersMar 3, 20164 votes

How would they do this...with so many champs being able to play 3+ roles, how exactly would they automate this?

Trias000Mar 3, 201629 votes

Have you played ranked or draft in season 6? You pick the role you want to play now, before you start queueing up. Like in the old team builder.

MalhammersMar 3, 201616 votes

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Have you played ranked or draft in season 6? You pick the role you want to play now, before you start queueing up.

Oh ya...lol sorry its 3pm at work right now...my brain turns into mush around this time.

MhihnjMar 5, 20162 votes

it's amazing how you got -13 likes on your original post and opposite on this post

Valderis VandalaMar 3, 20163 votes

If mastery points can be gained according to Champion and Role then so can the Champions be ordered by their Role on a score board.

The only question is, can they be ordered from the outset of the game or does it require more time before the system knows what role you play?

CosmicKiwiiMar 4, 20161 votes

I only play bard chaingun jungle and it still calls me "Guardian" so it might not be the most accurate

Valderis VandalaMar 4, 20161 votes

You're talking about Mastery Titles, I don't see what that has to do with anything.

EDIT: Titles are awarded according to a Champion's Class and Mastery Tier. Bard is a support class champion and tier 5 for the support class is called Guardian so its working as intended.

CosmicKiwiiMar 6, 20161 votes

i was joking but still, if people play a champion outside their meta role it wont know where to put some people or just put it wrong

Valderis VandalaMar 6, 20161 votes

I still don't understand the point of your post, how does it relate to the post you commented on?

CosmicKiwiiMar 7, 20161 votes

after re-reading your post i realized what i said was irrelevant, but i thought when you said

If mastery points can be gained according to Champion and Role then so can the Champions be ordered by their Role on a score board.

you meant it would base the champion's role as its lane and I was trying to prove that that type of system wouldn't be the most accurate

Valderis VandalaMar 7, 20161 votes

Ah ok, sorry I wasn't clear enough.

GypsyleeboyMar 4, 20164 votes

I've thought of this also TBH but figured people would find a reason it's a stupid idea, and down-vote it to hell I +1 This totally. Also, good idea in the edits, makes sense that way

HoodwinkMar 3, 20163 votes

What if people swap roles in champ select? What if people have different ways that they like things to be organised? What if people just want their role to be at the top?

In a pro-game cast, everything is organised and monitored, people fix it because they know for certain how the game is being played. As an automated system, there are flaws.

TulzurakMar 3, 20169 votes

You could still move the players around on the scoreboard. It would just save time for many players if they were already set up in the standard format. If players swap, it would be easy enough to just move those two players on the scoreboard.

HoodwinkMar 4, 20162 votes

I agree.

Trias000Mar 3, 20163 votes

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What if people swap roles in champ select?

OH MY GOD, I haven't thought about it! People might die!

What if people have different ways that they like things to be organised?

Then now, as it's random, they have to reorganize it anyway nearly every time. What will change for them? Also, ideally, you could choose your preferred order in the options.

What if people just want their role to be at the top?

Oh noes!

In a pro-game cast, everything is organised and monitored, people fix it because they know for certain how the game is being played. As an automated system, there are flaws.

That's scary. I don't think I could live with that.

PS. I never said the order should be fixed and you shouldn't be allowed to change it, like you can do now.

HoodwinkMar 3, 20163 votes

OK.

Supreme Senpai69Mar 3, 20162 votes

Then you can just change it lol. You already have to change it now so there's no difference. It just helps others.

Like seeing somebody's items/level/etc, this should only activate when vision is on them, so it doesn't disrupt any potential strategy.

Bladerunner7777Mar 4, 20163 votes

....People are actually nitpicking this?

Gameplay boards ladies and gents

downvote me all you want but this is ridiculous

BladegloryMar 4, 20165 votes

If there were any hint of derision in the OP I'd agree with it as "nitpicking", but his post is essentially a "Quality of Life" idea he's pitching.

Oh, and it is a gameplay issue. Spending the first 10 seconds of any game rearranging the scoreboard is "in-game" :D

ClutchCruxMar 4, 20163 votes

Just use the first 20 seconds of the game to do that.

Trias000Mar 4, 20163 votes

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

AwesomeChadMar 3, 20162 votes

they could easily do this from the coding perspective. Find out which player had which role in champion select and do it in-game. They can't really do it off of champion picks because there are flex picks and sometimes, players will go champions in a different lane like nami mid.

EDIT: some guy mentioned something about players swapping role in champion select. Well the simple solution is this: Set the system to automatically align players based on role. THEN, if players decide to role swap or whatever, they still have the option to move around the champion order in tab. No one gets left out but by doing this, there is better clarity for players that utilize it in general settings.

waspcreaturesxMar 4, 20162 votes

Consider that is is common practice in lcs to lane swap. Consider that in some games, there might be a 2v1 top or mid and a 1v2 bot. You might have one player per lane and two junglers. You might have a support who continuously roams.

You might have the whole team walk up mid to begin with (maybe to invade jg) and then what, are they all configured mid? If not, how long would this system take to determine lanes and would it be constantly updating? That wouldn't be helpful after laning phase.

My point is that with the way different strategies are set up and the fact that riot doesn't technically enforce the meta, you're not guaranteed a top-mid-jg-supp-adc every game.

The configuration on any system like this would be severely flawed because anyone could be in any lane at any given time. If it doesn't decide roles immediately (which would be flawed due to jg invades), then it could have a delay. However, then say it configures when the jg is ganking? Is he then a "top laner" to the system because he was too when it decided?

I just see so many things that would make the system wonky, unorganized, and just not worth the time it would take to implement (even if it's a small time). While I agree that in an ideal world, a system like this would be nice, I don't think it would be accurate even 50% of the time if it was implemented.

TLDR; Too many situations/strategies/off-meta situations happen that would make the system flawed or less useful. Good idea, but not a likely or realistic one. Even if riot could somehow fix all the factors that would impede accuracy, the likelihood that they'd even implement this is low.

Trias000Mar 4, 20161 votes

{quoted} Too many situations/strategies/off-meta situations happen

They hardly happen at all, even in normals, let alone ranked. And if they do happen... so what? You will have champions arranged randomly... just like now.

waspcreaturesxMar 4, 20161 votes

I've seen plenty of jg invades and just last game we had a 2v1 top, 1v2 mid, and 1v1 bot. Random situations are perfectly viable and can happen and DO happen.

So it wouldn't be fixing anything. Therefore no useful and not worth putting in the game.

If your argument is that it should be implemented just for the few times that it would actually get it right and you wouldn't have to rearrange it, you should consider the ten seconds it takes to actually rearrange it...

KristinaMar 4, 20162 votes

Put ADC on the bottom because they're listed as "Bot" and all ADC mains think they have to carry the weight of the team on their backs, placing them at the bottom of the list.

StillnameMar 5, 20162 votes

Only thing I've seen against it (and it's a valid reason to not) is that it gives away vague picks. Like if one team's mid and top could go to either lane the other team would know which lane they are planning on going to based on their position in the scoreboard.

That is a pretty rare case although it is worth considering if they do something like this.

Valderis VandalaMar 3, 20161 votes

Why not?

Top
Mid
ADC
Support
Jungle

You put Top at the top and Mid and Bot (ADC) follow naturally, you put the Support next because they are always with the ADC, and then all thats left is the Jungler. Makes more sense to me.

Or is your order just the way things are like a tradition or something?

GesterrMar 3, 20162 votes

The way he has listed is standard order that's used in LCS. The logic follows as

Top (because, well top)
Jungle (see other roles, it's the only spatial spot left)
Mid (put mid in the middle make sense?)
ADC
Support (our bot laners are at the bottom of the list)

This helps with visual reading of who's where without outside information on what role is where. Its clean, clear, simple, and effective graphically. The way you have it organized is by some strange hierarchy of carry power, which we really don't care about when determining which champion is in what lane, but rather the actual spatiality of where that champion is.

Valderis VandalaMar 3, 20161 votes

Nope, the way I have it has nothing to do with carry power, It's just the lane positions Top, Mid and Bot placed on a list from top to bottom. After that we are left with two roles, so you place the support next to the ADC because they are a natural team and then Jungle falls into place last because its the only one left. Seems perfectly natural to me and has nothing to do with carry power, it just flows naturally.

Unlike the list of the LCS. I can understand placing Top at the top and Mid in the middle but why is ADC not placed at the bottom? Support isn't the true bot lane right? Support is just the extra in that lane that supports the real laner. It would look better if Support was 4 and ADC was 5.

BadApple418Mar 4, 20161 votes

Support is underneath ADC cause they're "supporting" them

Valderis VandalaMar 4, 20161 votes

Which is fine but it goes against his previously mentioned "clean, clear, simple and effective graphically", if you're gonna put the laners into spots that go with their calling (Top being at the top, Mid being in the middle and Bot being at the bottom) then you expect them to be there instead of only getting 2 of the 3 spots right with a sneaky little extra rule that support is placed where Bot should be.

KING 5HARKMar 4, 20163 votes

Actually your method didnt have mid in the middle^^

Valderis VandalaMar 4, 20161 votes

Which is good because I never said it should be.

KING 5HARKMar 4, 20161 votes

But mid is short for Middle :`)

Valderis VandalaMar 4, 20161 votes

Correct and I also never said that.

(Mid is short for Mid Laner.)

bill84Mar 4, 20161 votes

Except that would this mean that the top and jungle never get to ban? I don't watch pro games, so i'm not completely sure what you're talking about, but based on other comments this is what I think you mean. This would, however, work if we had 5 bans per team.

BladegloryMar 4, 20163 votes

He's talking about the scoreboard in-game. When you hit tab and can see every player's build and CS. Ban/Pick order would be left as... whatever it currently is.

DorkunedAurasMar 4, 20161 votes

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Ban/Pick order would be left as... whatever it currently is.

Randomized.

bill84Mar 4, 20161 votes

Ok thanks for clearing that up.

4 1993Mar 4, 20161 votes

You can't leave base at the beginning of the game.

If you can't buy your 3 items, and swap the roles around. You should probably practice your apm.

EDIT: you dont even have to buy your trinket so its even less items you have to click on. Riot is making things so easy for you yet you complain and cry for more. We should be discussing real problems on threads. Not the fact that people are to lazy to move the champions where they want.

Theres no way to do this if they have flex picks mid and top and have the same summoners spells. Want to give away information because you are to lazy to move them yourself?

Riot gifted us the ability to move them while tabbed, and you cry for more?

PLS.

Trias000Mar 17, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=4 1993,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qHq2vGdY,comment-id=0015,timestamp=2016-03-04T17:10:54.983+0000) Riot is making things so easy for you yet you complain and cry for more. We should be discussing real problems on threads. Not the fact that people are to lazy to move the champions where they want.

Yet, you waste your precious time to... complain and cry about my proposal. Which was by no way complaining about the current state of things, just a mere request for a tiny improvement that hurts nobody.

RespaktMar 4, 20161 votes

You can re-arrange them to however you like by dragging the names up or down, I like putting them in order of which is most likely to gank me. I do it while waiting for the creeps to arrive, so having an automatic system doesn't seem that necessary.