I know Daisy is just a piece of rock

Trias000·Oct 30, 2016·156 votes·6,061 views

But even by these standards she is mentally challenged.

61 Comments

Akali is SO HOTOct 30, 201676 votes

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KeepeOct 30, 201626 votes

Ivern Daisy! Do you often get caught on walls like this and start melting through them?

Critmaster GarenOct 30, 201625 votes

Malphite : racist!

Pale PirateOct 30, 20163 votes

Mordekaiser I'm not racist. It's just how nature made us. Metal > rock

Mecha MaIphiteOct 30, 201617 votes

just a piece of rock

FormationXOct 30, 201610 votes

U R metal

Trias000Oct 30, 20163 votes

Viktor Metal is perfection \../

SaewinOct 31, 20161 votes

Blitzcrank METAL IS. HARDER. THAN. FLESH.

FormationXOct 30, 20165 votes

Belongs in Memes and Games, though.

Nice one.

DeathBot666Oct 30, 201657 votes

Actually, I think the OP is saying that the AI for daisy is really bad. In that case he's in the right place.

SaiannaOct 30, 201622 votes

I think u mean AI :P

XicashinaOct 30, 20167 votes

I believe either one works, UI = user interface (Daisy is hard to control), AI = Artificial Intelligence (Daisy is eternally creep blocked and stands still while your telling her to move etc).

Not sure which one the previous commenter was saying though

SaiannaOct 30, 201611 votes

User interface is aout user panel of options.. Like stats, mana/hp bars, isn't it?

interface...

XicashinaOct 30, 20163 votes

Yep just checked google it is, I forget what It is I'm talking about then.

I remember talking quite often that when a program was unresponsive or not intelligently responsive it had a bad UI but I might just be misremembering or it meant something else?

theArtifactsOct 30, 20163 votes

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Yep just checked google it is, I forget what It is I'm talking about then.

I remember talking quite often that when a program was unresponsive or not intelligently responsive it had a bad UI but I might just be misremembering or it meant something else?

Perhaps you meant User Intelligence was bad ;)

SoySauceJonesOct 30, 20162 votes

I love when people are able to admit they made a mistake and move on. Props.

Velzard of KozOct 30, 20162 votes

He didn't do mistake. user interface is not just buttons. Interface is any means of communication. In programming bunch of code can be interface. System that comprehends what you talk to microphone is interface. User interface is way user communicates with system att he end of line and thus holding ALT key and right-clicking us also part of user interface.

So it's Saiana who got the definition wrong.

Trias000Oct 30, 20164 votes

Yup. Her AI is horrible. And I don't understand why. They could have just copy-pasted Tibbers' AI. It's not perfect, but it still works far better than Daisy's.

DraqoneOct 30, 20162 votes

Tibbers' is just as bad, he simply has an AOE aura around him which makes it easier for him to deal damage.

WarlockLawOct 31, 20163 votes

Actually I find Tibbers to be significantly better. I've never had an issue with Tibbers randomly stopping, and Tibbers will also respond to my commands. Thx to the rage thing he does, he can also chase down targets with ease.

dunkeroniOct 31, 20161 votes

I've never had trouble with Daisy's AI, and I've used it to win plenty of fights. Maybe you should practice playing with Annie, Leblanc, and Ivern so that you can better understand how to control an AI.

underscores222Nov 1, 20162 votes

I find Tibbers much easier to control. When I alt + click on a target, tibbers goes after it. His response time to my command seems to be quick. With Daisy, it feels like she does not respond as quickly and does not understand commands as easily.

It does feel like they made a completely different AI to do basically the same thing tibbers does, and they didn't do as good of a job. Whether that's the case or not is a different matter.

PikmintsOct 31, 20161 votes

While the complaint is still a valid one based on in-game occurrances, as someone with FEK I have the memes section blocked so that I can see genuine discussions instead of posts created solely to make people laugh. This post is a one-liner, not actually trying to create a discussion nor suggest a fix, so it's about as much a meme as "Zilean is so annoying to play against because you need to kill him a Zilean times."

PaladinNOOct 30, 20163 votes

I know Daisy is just a bunch of pixels

There, fixed that one for you (I am nice that way):

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/475533040069132289/OfA9SEwz.jpeg

http://www.mariowiki.com/Princess_Daisy

Pretty little flower though.

she is mentally challenged.

Judging by how often she gets her ass kidnapped, no objections about that part.

UnpaladinOct 30, 20164 votes

Nah, she just lets herself get kidnapped for a change of scenery. Princesses do that lately.

softest boyOct 30, 20162 votes

Well then. Don't even try to spare her feelings! :c

gottrjrOct 30, 20162 votes

Riot please fix Daisy.

DrackolusOct 30, 20162 votes

Daisy's AI is probably the main reason Ivern can't do anything. That, and her stats. I don't know why Tibbers' is so so so much better when they practically do the same thing...

DarkRitualOct 30, 20164 votes

To be fair, Tibbers would still be effective if they swapped AI. The AoE Nuke and (usually) stun that comes with him is often enough to get the job done.

dunkeroniOct 31, 20161 votes

Ivern can do a lot of things, and he can win almost any 1v1 against enemy junglers because of Daisy. If you have troubles controlling it, maybe you should practice ordering the AI around in bot games.

RedagaOct 31, 20161 votes

daisy have a terrible AI, the R recast usually ends on her just disengaging, and she just grows on AP, and going full AP Ivern is suicide unless is a well coordinated team.

now if daisy stats grow parallel to ivern (% of his AP, Health, Armor, MR, Movement Speed) Daisy will be reflect the style you would go on ivern (full AP, or tanky support)

LEEROY KLEDKINSOct 30, 20162 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-jKtKJDLJs

BârdOct 31, 20162 votes

She isn't a rock.

If she was, she would have more than 20 armor rank 1.

MimiLOLOct 31, 20162 votes

IVERN IS SO CUTEEEEE Ivern WHATTA CUTIEEEE

Large MinivanOct 31, 20162 votes

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CatastropOct 30, 20161 votes

IggletOct 30, 20161 votes

Found the 9gager.

Sahn UzalOct 30, 20162 votes

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IggletOct 31, 20161 votes

Not even a long post smh.

Dominick DestineOct 30, 20161 votes

{quoted}

But even by these standards she is mentally challenged.

'muh offensive?

Daisy is fine.

Glory ln DeathOct 31, 20162 votes

Not really. She won't start attacking a target if she isn't told to do so, she won't go after a new target if the original target dies, she stops moving if the target leaves vision, sometimes she stops attacking or moving for no apparent reason, etc.

If you want to make Daisy actually effective, you basically have to treat her as the champion and focus entirely on ordering her around, while practically ignoring Ivern.

It isn't too bad when you want to focus one person, but it's pretty awful in team fights when you want Ivern scooting around the edges of the fight to support, but you need Daisy in the middle attacking and disrupting. If you focus on Ivern, within a few seconds Daisy stops moving. If you Focus on Daisy, you aren't as effective on Ivern and miss a pivotal shield or Rootcaller and will likely die while distracted.

It's fine that you have to pay attention to both, but you shouldn't have to look at Daisy every half second to make sure she's still doing something.

dunkeroniOct 31, 20161 votes

Or you have to learn how to control an AI in the same way all controllable AI has been done for years. Split your commands, alternating between Ivern and Daisy on each move/attack command and keep sending spells out from Ivern. That's how Tibbers is controlled, that's how LeBlanc's clone is controlled, and nobody has every had a problem with it until now.

Daisy is fine so long as you treat the champion you're playing as two champions (which is exactly as you should treat it).

Glory ln DeathOct 31, 20161 votes

The problem is, AI like Tibbers don't randomly stop doing anything. Daisy basically needs a new command every second or she essentially turns into Scuttle Crab. She won't fight back when attacked unless told to, she won't move on her own or aquire new targets, she won't defend Ivern if he's being attacked. She just sits there.

If she's intended to be a second champion who requires user input, that's fine, she doesn't need to be a bot - but fix how she just randomly stops all actions every few second, even in the middle of an auto attack! And champions won't just sit in the middle of a fight doing nothing - they'll auto attack the enemy without needing to be given an order! Daisy won't do that.

ScrimshäwOct 30, 20161 votes

i don't get it

oh, her ai. yeah

it's a joke i suppose

einnA hcetxeHOct 30, 20161 votes

Tibbers' AI is also broken.

It'd be nice if they didn't have Tibbers attack your killer, but instead the person you dealt the most damage to.

dunkeroniOct 31, 20161 votes

Tibbers does not think clearly when enraged by Annie's death.

Omega360Oct 31, 20161 votes

Why can't they make Daisy mimic Ivern's spell casts in a weaker way? I can't imagine that it would make him that strong, and you would have options between just letting him attack for the damage and knockup or casting to help the team or help others engage.

dunkeroniOct 31, 20161 votes

Having Daisy around when the enemy jungle picks a fight already forces that fight to be a 2v1 in Ivern's favor. As much fun as it would be for Daisy to mimic spells, I'd much rather keep her as she is than have riot nerf every other ability Ivern has to compensate.

Omega360Nov 1, 20161 votes

I agree that we don't want them to nerf every spell to compensate, make it so that every time Daisy mimics a spell he loses a counter of his knockup attack, and I believe that this would be enough balance to allow daisy to be able to set up his team more often with spells mimiced or knockup wombo, but not both simultaneously.

DecritOct 31, 20161 votes

Well, as far as i get IA' s role in LOL is basically to be "guided skillshots", meaning that you should not be allowed to have full precise control of them like in an RTS.

Then again, if it creates so many problems that is unusuable is another matter, i don' t play Ivern (yet).