Sion is so clunky and nothing more than a moving wall, his ratios are pretty low for dmg or bruiser play. His passive either shouldnt be able to be cced in my opinion, I mean come on the man died once already for him to come back pissed he wouldnt be phased by such childs play.
Ralanr7 votesWell he's not a bruiser, he's a tank. His ratios are actually pretty good.
Hela3 votesWell he's not a bruiser, he's a tank. His ratios are actually pretty good.
how much pure tank champs are being played right now, alot of them are being built like bruisers to compensate or some sort of dmg like 
with a little ap 
with ap 
with ap 
catch my drift?
doodlebob6662 votesi don't think any of those champs build any ap, except amumu kindof
oSEXYPLATYPUSo5 votes
on mao and galio and even gragas is good
Hela4 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=b4xByvk7,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-21T03:16:27.654+0000)
No "Full" tank champ classification has a good opportunity to get AD in my opinion. Only bruisers. Riot made that clear with 
Ralanr2 votesThat's cause they aren't suppose to build AD.
Hela3 votesThat's cause they aren't suppose to build AD.
true but there are Tank champs that can and do, Ive seen ap malphite nearly 1 shot people with his ult, ap mao with new saplings, and ap amumu is crazy... Thats what makes them good tanks imo. Sion is just easy to kite, and was more of an hp tank now that hp is kinda in a tough place now hes even worse.
Ralanr2 votesThat doesn't make them good tanks, that makes them incredibly problematic.
Hela3 votesAnd more Viable. most people hardly go full tank, they usually rush im talking about SIon as a champ not as a tank role specifically.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesman as a maokai main... for the last 3 seasons i have always played him ap bruiser and i have countless games where i out damage my entire team...
and this was before full ap maokai support
just for an example a game where i was 18-8-19 with 75k+ damage to champs as maokai
doodlebob6661 votestheir good but i feel like rushing resistances is better since you get enough ap from spamming dorans to push, and you also get to spike quicker since you don't have to wait for it to stack
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesok but it gives HP, MANA , AP and the passive of 
gives them hp when they cast spells and gives them mana when they take damage giving a really really good sustain
the item is meant for those champs not 
or other ap burst mages
Fondling Gems4 votesWhen people don't check the PBE in a nutshell.
Hela1 votes[{quoted}](name=Fondling Gems,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=b4xByvk7,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-05-21T04:31:15.483+0000)
When people don't check the PBE in a nutshell.
aint no one got time for that, we care about whats on live and only live! 
Spoofghoul1 votescan you see it? is see it!
look hp went down w does % hp damage that tiny amount of extra damage barely compensates lol
oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votesno what needs to happen is sion players not to get in the mindset its ok to die due to passive... feeding is still feeding
KoKoboto2 votesNow listen here bub, I'll have you know the juggernaut full health zombie mode carry sion is FULLY viable. Best don't say that kinda stuff around here again.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 voteswell im not wrong...
and i might be a bit bias after my SUPPORT SION WHO GOT NO FUKING SIGHTSTONE !!! AND GAVE LUCIAN FREE KILLS IN BOT LANE. AND COULDNT PEEL FOR SHIT IN TEAM FIGHTS TO KEEP LEE SIN FROM DIVING ME
after all that he ends up 3-15-17 and i manage some how to go 9-4-9 but if you havent guessed it was a lost game... [zombie-nunu-bummed]
ModAcademy Kayn3 votesSee, here's a perfect example of abuse of the term "Clunky". He is not "Clunky" nowhere is there an ounce of Clunk in there. There is no awkward standstill like Renekton this recent patch, or Akali needing an Auto to proc her mark. He has delays, yes, but his delays are not "Clunk", they're balance design. Clunky means that there is some sort of interruption in the smooth play of a Champion.
Just because he has a Delay, does not mean he's clunky, that smooth play is still there alongside the delay.
LyingOnLine3 votesSion's getting buffs.
There are far more characters if far greater need of buffs.
Xavanic2 votesHis ratios are pretty low?, he has a 1.8 ad ratio on q, the highest ad ratio of any basic ability that i can think of
Hela2 votesHis ratios are pretty low?, he has a 1.8 ad ratio on q, the highest ad ratio of any basic ability that i can think of
bro, it has a ramp up time. Champs are so mobile these days people max E lol. YOu are pretty vulnerable while using it such as not being able to move, can be cancelled, and dodged.
Xavanic1 votesThen dont pick sion into a mobile team? I play bruiser sion when their not heavily mobile, if it gets any form of a buff, i can see it getting banned
Hela1 votesThen dont pick sion into a mobile team? I play bruiser sion when their not heavily mobile, if it gets any form of a buff, i can see it getting banned
most people are mobile in the meta, which brings us back to him needing a buff. I dont know what exactly.
Anags1 votesMore damage on w doesn't help.
I think that as you hold q down the area of effect should gradually widen to its current area. That would mean instant cast would only be a straght line and maybe then instant cast q could actually do some damage and not be too strong.
I think that would actually be cool and more of a choice for Sion players.
Arakadia1 votesBut you said he had low ratios.
Hela1 votesyou are looking at it wrong, the q itself may have good ratios but not for the time it takes to get it off and assuming you can land it. Its too slow so technically the ratios need fixing to compensate for ramp up.
Arakadia1 votesOne of the reasons's people love and feel like Sion is one of the most fair champions, is because of the counterplay his kit offers. Your asking to remove that counterplay.
And whether or not his abilities are unreliable you said he has low ratios when he has quite high ratios.
Hexs Fortune2 votesThey need to make Sion Q uninterruptable once it's charged up to it's stunning phase
Micbran2 votesHe's fine.
Proxy3451 votesHis passive is just Yorick's old ult lol
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesGET OFF MY ICON
lol
GULAG 4 U1 votesPretty much every tank needs a buff atm. Most.