How about bringing back something like fervor?

GarthBrooksXD·Dec 15, 2017·9 votes·1,035 views

Then all the adc and top landed who it was important to wouldn't be garbage now. Or even if we just reverted the very questionable press the attack nerfs.

Then everyone could just be happy :)

23 Comments

McFatalDec 15, 20173 votes

how is reverting press the attack going to help top?

we NEED fervor to beat tanks.

without it we cant beat them.

tell me how press the attack is semi decent against a grasp maokai.

GarthBrooksXDDec 15, 20173 votes

Its better than the current one. Anyway, i don't need to explain anything to u. Like I said I would like them to just bring fervor back or something very close to it. Just like they did electrocute from thunderlords.

McFatalDec 15, 20173 votes

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Its better than the current one. Anyway, i don't need to explain anything to u. Like I said I would like them to just bring fervor back or something very close to it. Just like they did electrocute from thunderlords.

an unnerfed item is better than a nerfed item.

great detective work buddy.

press the attack isnt used top.

fervor was the only thing being used.

i agree with u on fervor coming back but reverting PTA only makes adcs stronger which i cant possibly handle anymore

GarthBrooksXDDec 15, 20172 votes

Why are you so rude?

McFatalDec 15, 20171 votes

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Why are you so rude?

i just said i agreed with u on most of it.

dont take everything someone says to heart.

GarthBrooksXDDec 15, 20174 votes

Yeah I don't need you to restate obvious things I said back to me so you can act like ur a genius. Some top laners were using pta and still do like Jax btw.

xShiNjiNxDec 15, 20172 votes

Why was it scrapped to begin with?

GayFluffyUnicornDec 15, 20176 votes

Low elo hates bruisers-->Riot hates bruisers--->fervor removed.

Have you ever in the last season heard any complaints about fervor? I can't remember but i sure as hell remember warlords and how broken it actually was especially after riot introduced the shiv/rfc stacking warlords again, yet fervor gets removed and warlords returns. So riot is now minisculy buffing bruisers so that people think riot is listening and will help us (which they don't) and then they will nerf everything else and create some abomination like fervor-grasp so that bruisers have to go more tanky instead of dmg and become completely useless since they can't kill anything, they can't take anything, they don't have CC etc.

xShiNjiNxDec 15, 20173 votes

Low elo hates everything cause they lose to... everything.

GarthBrooksXDDec 15, 20171 votes

Friendly RamDec 15, 20171 votes

i'm still waiting to get furor back.

ChaddyFantomeDec 15, 20171 votes

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i'm still waiting to get furor back.

Rip boot enchants [cass-cry]

AethariDec 15, 20171 votes

A lot of people don't realize this, but taking grasp on bruisers is actually really good into tank lanes. It's not as good as having fervor, but it definitely beats taking aery/comet/etc.

McFatalDec 15, 20174 votes

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A lot of people don't realize this, but taking grasp on bruisers is actually really good into tank lanes. It's not as good as having fervor, but it definitely beats taking aery/comet/etc.

please give me a screenshot of u going grasp riven on any tank that has grasp as well with a competent brain and let me know how it goes.

if ur not building tank grasp wont do SHIT.

it goes off ur hp so why the fuck would a fighter be good with it?

ur better off taking aftershock which is still terrible becasue it provides nothing towards tanks in 1v1s but a small aoe burst rather than fervor giving u extra ad over a 200 armor malphite 10 minutes in.

AethariDec 15, 20172 votes

Grasp isn't only good if you're building tank, lol. Not sure where you got that idea. It does twice as much damage than aery and heals you for the same amount of damage that aery does at the same time.

Level 1 Riven HP with doran's + resolve tree is 768. That's a 31 damage proc and a 16 damage heal on every grasp proc. And the ratio of effectiveness in comparison to aery per proc stays like this. Until you get HP from cleaver. Then it gets even better.

One grasp proc = 2x aery in damage and 1x aery in healing. You also get to take revitalize. Missing the early AD feels slightly weird, but if you play smart and abuse the proc it feels a lot better.

Once the resolve + sorcery bonus gets changed to 65 HP and 6 AD, everyone will realize it and switch over. But it's already worth it right now. Like I said, it's not as good as fervor but it's definitely better than aery.

hoyohaiDec 16, 20171 votes

I'm level 14, so I don't know much, but aren't fighters still fairly tanky?

McFatalDec 16, 20171 votes

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I'm level 14, so I don't know much, but aren't fighters still fairly tanky?

In this current meta , hell no.

Automated RivenDec 16, 20171 votes

In this meta, nothing is really tanky except a dedicated tank.

GarthBrooksXDDec 15, 20172 votes

Looks like its your preference into almost all lanes. Clearly most people don't know its good cuz even the mid-low platinum players I played against, almost all them who played a tank or a bruiser had comet, aery, even predator garen lol... Like the only lane I remember playing against that had it was a Maokai, and I guess it should be an obvious choice on him.

AethariDec 15, 20172 votes

Yeah, I've been testing it lately. I'm almost convinced enough to say it's better into every melee matchup and that comet/electrocute should only be used into ranged.

GayFluffyUnicornDec 15, 20171 votes

Then rather go for kleptomancy to scale better especially for trinity bruisers. And a bruiser who can afford comet will win always against you taking grasp since they simply won't get you to procc grasp. It's a poke meta for a reason. Not a let me take comet and melee extend trade you.

AethariDec 16, 20171 votes

On bruisers with mobility you don't really have a choice of denying them grasp procs. And for ones without it, you'd have to be willing to let them zone you out of CS. Constantly. I've played grasp into comet Camille/Malphite/etc before. You don't need extended trades, you just need one proc.

AirKingNeoDec 16, 20171 votes

Put it in Precision (replace Lethal Tempo?) and allow people to take either stat bonus of the trees they take.

Ex. If I take Precision primary and Domination secondary, I should have a choice between bonus AS or adaptive AD/AP instead of only AS option (maybe a half and half option too). Both of these fixes most bruisers for runes.