New AP Jg Item (My Problems With It)

Mr Tulkas··1 votes·980 views

So, while I don't think that the new AP jungle item is necessarily bad, it just doesn't really live up to the old runeglave option for certain AP junglers. In particular, Diana Ekko Elise and an assassin style Evelyn These champions used the old AP jg item quite effectively. I know that it had it's issues with other AP junglers but for these champions in particular it was actually pretty good.

My thought on this was that why couldn't riot have both the old and the new AP jungle items an option? This would actually help a lot opening up the way that you could build your AP jungler depending on how you wanted to play. (*note historically the AP jungle item choices of the past have been somewhat hard to balance with the problem of the mid lane picking it up.) Having two different AP items for the jungle should make it easier to balance without having to potentially give a slight nerf to all AP junglers.

To me, the old AP item was ideal for champions who would dive into the back line trying to kill or force out of the fight someone squishy.

The new one seems to feel more geared toward easier jungle clearing and being able to dish out a little more general damage if you weren't using the runeglave very effectively

This makes sense to me from a design standpoint because look at the different options that AD junglers get. There are several AD jungle champions that can utilize any of the jungle items aside from the AP option and still be pretty effective. So why not give AP junglers more options as well?

I would honestly like to know what Riot's opinion on this. To me at least, I don't see how having both options would hurt the game, it would just give more itemization options. I've only really tried it out with Diana but for her at least you really feel that she's lost a lot of her initial burst and follow up damage by taking away the runeglave. The damage is still KINDA there but it doesn't feel nearly as strong.

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BarelyPaula2 votes

Normally on Eve I go warrior, I've always found it to be superior, that hybrid damage is the bees knees.

MegaManYYZ1 votes

all of Eve's abilities are physical damage...

Mr Tulkas1 votes

She scales with both, I don't generally play her but i know some people who used to like the old AP option for her

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

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all of Eve's abilities are physical damage...

Her Q and ultimate deal magic damage.

Her E deals physical damage.

Her W deals no damage.

Erockandroll2 votes

My thought on this was that why couldn't riot have both the old and the new AP jungle items an option?

Go read the patch notes, or watch the patch rundown. They explain their stance on that issue.

Yet I fail to understand the continuous Discontent for the absence of Ruin Glaive. Considering that when it first rolled out, people freaking hated the fact that it basically removed the option of building Lichbane Later. (Which was way better than Rune Glaive.) Runic echo by contrast, is only marginally less than Luden's. Though may AP Junglers probably wouldn't take Ludens in the first place. Over all I'd say if offers more build options while making more champions viable.

MegaManYYZ1 votes

the movement speed is a huge bonus for most mage junglers too.

MegaManYYZ1 votes

why don't you just buy item 3100 ?

Mr Tulkas1 votes

The problem is that like even if you rushed lich bane after your jg item you are delaying that power spike you get from the sheen and it delays your other items. For example for Diana JG I love building abysal or zonyas second because they are really strong survivabilty items on her.

MegaManYYZ1 votes

you know a sheen is like 1050g right? you can just buy a sheen straight up if you need it and not complete the lichbane...

Mr Tulkas1 votes

The sheen used to be a mini power spike before you completed your full jungle item. The new item feels like a nerf to those who used the Runeglave effectively. Even when you have the full item the damage isn't as focused on who you are going in on

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