Since it's not a LeBlanc hate thread, i'll be getting tons of downvotes

darkchan5··4 votes·594 views

this was a recent post on the boards, similar to many others... "I'm okay with LeBlanc bursting me for 1435 +3.6 AP

But if she fails to kill me, then there should be a significant window for me to punish her, not "lol nope I instajump back out".

I'm fine with that burst value if and only if there is a large counterplay window if she fails to get the kill.

I'm also fine with her keeping instajump on W if she loses a chunk of her burst.

But the way she is now is just incredibly stupid to deal with."

every LeBlanc hate thread/comment/post get upvoted blindly and everything with any other opinion gets downvoted, regardless of whether or not the points brought up are valid. and for the post i just showed, walking to 700 units away (600 more realistically)  is a huge window to punish her, or to just walk away.

I will now be breaking leblanc down and showing the numbers that a LeBlanc can get with varying levels of safety.

so her maximum burst is at level 18 with standard runes and masteries(not counting executioner because im lazy, but counting on someone having proced the exposed weakness mastery) for an ap mid at full build ( ![item 3135](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/item/3135.png) ![item 3089](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/item/3089.png) ![item 3020](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/item/3020.png) ![item 3157](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/item/3157.png) ![item 3285](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/item/3285.png) ![item 3165](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/item/3165.png) ![item 2139](https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/16.20.1/img/item/2139.png) ) is 4458.57464 then resistances and magic pen( the magic pen would be 41% and then 22.83 flat). now for leblanc to get all of this burst, she must be within 700 units and have them not move 150 units away during the time she casts her sigil of malice and mimic it and the time distortion takes to travel to them, making that not really a feasible range, but for the sake of comparisons, we will use that.
with that 700 range she is going to have to walk through your front line to get in range of your back line hence dying before she gets to use any abilities and with burst of ~4458 she isnt going to be able to kill a front liner by herself, but assuming she does, and that the enemies reaction times are not poor, she gets cc'ed by someone after she kills one and dies, unable to further help in the fight, only taking a tank with her, a very sub-optimal performance in that team-fight as her team loses their primary source if not all of their magic damage, but that is unrealistic, let us calculate another, much more standdard team-fight from LeBlancs perspective, leblanc is going to want to stay behind her frontline putting her at somewhere between 1000 and 2000 units away 1300 being the edge of distortion then sigil range so she will walk into roughly 1200 range then use distortion as a gap closer, and use sigil, mimiced sigil and ethereal chains not waiting for the chains to deal their second instance of damage, now considering the chains are a skill shot, we will calculate the damage from just the qr separately from the chains qr will deal 610+1.4ap the chain will provide 440+1.1ap (for a total of 1050+2.5ap) making it the highest damage single ability, as a skillshot this combo having an 18 second cooldown(14.4 with scaling cdr blues) because of her ultimate. this combo has good safety, but quite lackluster damage if you don't land the chains, but will allow her to be providing consistent damage, making it her best option.

now yes leblanc is very strong, but she has to choose between insane burst, insane mobility, or a decent amount of both, so everyone, stop saying she can deal ~4500 damage from complete safety, because she can't. Being in 600 range in not being in complete safety, it's being dead.

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Live2LetDie2 votes

people who keep thinking lb is op... silver -

rtbf2216514122 votes

How to CC 101. Step 1: Do it.

Rico Jungle Only1 votes

You forget where she is strong is roaming/mid game in laning phase. She doesn't NEED that 4500 dmg people talk about. What pisses me off is that she just needs enough damage EARLY game to kill you (Hint: Luden's Echo). If someone feeds her a kill early game, the snowball is wayyyyyyy too strong to stop.

There is NOTHING you can do against her when she gets a slight lead. You** can't** gank her (her two escapes), you **CANT **OUTFARM HER when she's ahead (she'll burst you off ur farm). She has no windows of opportunity (add on top of that her low cd spells which she builds CD on). BUILD MR? FACK, I BUILT A FULL MR BUILD AS PANTH (you're never suppost to do this as Panth, but I needed to know when LB tapers off in damage), AND SHE STILL DESTROYED ME IN 5 SECONDS!!! Full Build Btw.

For context: I'm never ever mid, I just observe, and watch from another lane when the Le Blanc gets a kill/ max two, and watch her snowball mid, soon making life a living hell for all the other lanes.

I'm NOT Q.Q ing, but rather giving context to the Le Blanc nerfs soon to come through on the PBE next patch. <3 R.I.P. LB >:)Leblanc

1000angrybees1 votes

She doesnt have to "choose" shit. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: ignoring problematic elements of a champions kit just because you personally dont believe that it's a problem does not make it alright. It was like saying zed's assassination pattern was healthy, when it clearly wasn't.

darkchan51 votes

first off, don't post saying that i am wrong without providing any reasons whatsoever, all you are doing is saying "you're wrong and i"m right"

Zed and LeBlanc have different playstyles and mechanics, just because they can both blink to a previously set location does not make them the same champion. Zed was only targetable for less that half a second, he only had to aa q and e, and with enough ad would kill a squishy, and instantly blink out, doing this from an ~1175 range as opposed to an ~600 range that is a massive difference. Zed got to blink out from that just as fast as LeBlanc, but did it from TWICE the range

SlytherinUmbreon1 votes

"I'm okay with LeBlanc bursting me for 1435 +3.6 AP

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so everyone, stop saying she can deal ~4500 damage from complete safety, because she can't.

no one said that.

darkchan51 votes

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no one said that.

if you read the post that i quoted, it said she could burst for 1435+3.6ap from complete safety. 1435+3.6ap ends up being ~4500 damage

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