Please post your Shyv build recommendations below. Shyv seems to have a variety of useful build choices, and I'm kind of in that place where I'm torn between too many options, and I MUST HAVE THEM ALL! The following is an account of my tragic ordeals, that have left me spending more time typing this utterly overextended post, than just playing League:
GetMariahCarried1 votesOn many champions (i.e. the only other two I care about, fiora and sej) I can get pretty much everything I want on them from runes, masteries, and items. But with shyv, it's a different matter. For about a week now, I've been experimenting with a ton of different builds and setups, trying to get closer to the ideal set of specs:
-The Shyv Synergies (Bork, Wit's End, and Devourer's or Cinderhulk) -40% CDR (for q spamming and w speed boosting -Thornmail (Necessary... always... no matter what... don't need to see an adc lifesteal up half their health hitting me while I'm cc'd off of them for only 2 seconds. Randuin's just doesn't seem to make the difference by itself. Great active for team support, but somehow doesn't seem half as helpful when chasing.) -Tenacity: Merc's, Iron if not Wrath against certain comps, and Tenacious (I've settled on mainly tank masteries. Shyv seems to get a lot more damage from items, and decent tank from masteries. I'll miss the spell/blade weaving synergy, but items just seem to make the most difference.) -At least 3k health (kinda doesn't make sense to have thornmail without building at least SOME health) -Hydra (tiamat is just too good for burst damage in early ganks, which is handier than chase items like cutlass when you're not a mainly cc ganker in the first place. It's also awesome for counterjungle farming. In addition, having bork with no other ad item really nerfs the lifesteal effectiveness. Hydra may only double your lifesteal on paper, but at least triples the heal in practice. It's almost a better tank sustain item than an actual tank item as a result, unless you get locked down by cc in an end-game fight.) -One mr item. Gotta have at least one.
Now if I were playing sej, I could get 5k health, 300 armor, 150 mr, and still cap cdr with scaling runes, masteries, and visage. I'd have everything I need, but that's cause sej builds damage with health, and synergizes better with immolate and thornmail damage due to mpen marks, (sej is kind of broken right now with cinderhulk though, it's not even funny... wait, I play sej, it is funny. Back to old tank jungle item and I'd probably have 3-4k health, but I'd still be happy, and get my tabi back.)
Shyv seems impossible for me to be happy with. Not in the sense of winning or losing, I have bad games and I have steamroll games. But in the sense of building. I really want that Shyv synergy combo, bork/wit's end/devourer's or cinderhulk. And I also really can't justify not getting hydra. That leaves me with two item slots. I'm just not going to get the mr, health, boots, cdr, and thornmail (MUST... HAVE... THORNMAIL) I need in two items.
It's just generally wit's end that gets the shaft, as being the least important. But I love building wit's end on Shyv. If wit's end was meant for anyone, accept a stupid Annie-obsessed puppy, it's Shyv. Any thoughts on how to get it back in my slots without being blown up by an adc after a taric stun late game?
Zenthon Prime1 votesI'm following a build I saw on Solomid, and so far it's working for me. You run whatever boots you need, Devourer, Bork, Randuin's , Spirit Visage (or Banshee's if needed) and Warmogs. You hit around 4k health, have 3 slows if you went Chilling Smite and pretty much ignore HP stacking. It's disgusting if you get to full build, because you do so much %HP damage that you can ignore not having Wits. And if your team really needs a full tank you go Cinderhulk and still do disgusting damage because lolshyv.
So yeah, I'm not really sure you can build a Wit's in there unless your team is just stupidly tanky (say, Braum supp and Mao top) and you can afford to be squishier.
DisasterSola1 votesWhat is your goal or purpose with shyv?
GetMariahCarried1 votesWhat is your goal or purpose with shyv?
I guess the goals are the following in order of priority: -1)Not sacrificing great lifesteal sustain that might have been as effect or more effective than tank (bork/hydra) -2)Not being melted by an adc late game at any health level due to cc lockdown or lack of appropriate defenses (thornmail's the only thing I've found that hits this mark. Frozen heart, randuin's, they don't quite do it without additional disruptive cc abilities to halt or nerf damage dealing, like malph's or sej's. Shyv doesn't have those.) -3)Not sacrificing the sej synergies (the on-hit/aoe items.) -4)Not sacrificing cdr-capping that leads to extremely effective aoe chase and hilarious q-spamming.
It's 3 and 4 that kind of conflict for the remaining item space.
edit: I also really want a frozen mallet. I don't need it, BUT I WANT IT.
I'm following a build I saw on Solomid, and so far it's working for me. You run whatever boots you need, Devourer, Bork, Randuin's , Spirit Visage (or Banshee's if needed) and Warmogs. You hit around 4k health, have 3 slows if you went Chilling Smite and pretty much ignore HP stacking. It's disgusting if you get to full build, because you do so much %HP damage that you can ignore not having Wits. And if your team really needs a full tank you go Cinderhulk and still do disgusting damage because lolshyv.
So yeah, I'm not really sure you can build a Wit's in there unless your team is just stupidly tanky (say, Braum supp and Mao top) and you can afford to be squishier.
Looks like you gave up the hydra. I've decided I can get almost all my cdr from scaling runes. Comparing different setups, mr is more effectively gotten from items, and cdr from runes it's seems. I've also considered the fact that maybe I can go without the tiamat, if I go devourer's, with that non-capped damage, buuuut... I've come to the conclusion tonight that cinderhulk is better on shyv. Not because devourer's isn't AMAZING, but because shyv is a strong lane pusher/tower destroyer. Devourer's promotes a lot of afk farming, which, ya know, isn't a bad strategy, but when you have this great champ at deleting towers? Eeeeehhh, I'ma go with hydra/bork, and skip devourer's. Thankfully cinderhulk does resolve some of my tank issues. So I'm thinking... merc's, hydra, bork, cinderhulk, wit's end, randuin's. I'll face it, thornmail is best on mpen champs. I prefer my attack speed marks. Plus I want to make the most of the Oppression mastery (which is why I want frozen mallet.)
Speaking of ignoring wit's: Yeah I know you can ignore wit's. I ignore it all the time. BUT I DON'T WANNAAAA! Waaaaahh...