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Now the message to Dynamic Queue supporters...

For Carthage·6/1/2016, 2:58:42 AM·33 votes·2,846 views

To you all, I actually have something legitimate to say to you guys.

While you've all been keen to defend Dynamic Queue and your ability to rank with friends and say that all the people you know love Dynamic Queue...

All the people you know are your friends. That you play Dynamic Queue with. You don't play with Solo players, and when you do, you're probably not then befriending them and adding them to your group.

And that is the issue.

None of you play the game by yourselves. None of you know how much it fucking sucks to just spend some alone time playing the game because you just don't fucking do it. You don't stand behind Solo-Queue for the sole reason you don't fucking play it.

It is not because Solo-Queue was bad. It is not because Solo-Queue had issues. You simply didn't play the game alone.

Solo-Queue supporters on the other hand don't just hate Dynamic-Queue because we don't play with friends - on the contrary, I used to play with friends all the time. In normals. Which is made to play with friends.

We fucking hate Dynamic-Queue because it is toxic. It is pointless. It measures nothing. And most of all, it takes out the last vestige of pure individuality from the game.

Do you know why I cannot stand - borderline hate - the people who stand with Dynamic-Queue being here? Do you know why? You probably don't because if you did, you would never make this argument again.

But hell, let's just spell it out. This is your guys' reasoning for Dynamic-Queue:

"I prefer Dynamic Queue. I like playing with my friends."

........................................... Did you expect more? Oh, there's no more. That's it. That's the extent of it.

If you don't understand what that translates to:

"I like Dynamic Queue purely subjectively and am willing to ruin the experiences of multitudes of others for it."

You're all fucking sociopathic.

We, the people who support solo-queue, have argued over and over and over and over and over and over and over the numerous issues with Dynamic Queue. And you defend it simply because it lets you do one thing you could do before? Fuck you! You are actually ruining the game for numerous people just because it expands your fucking territory!

Solo-Queue isn't just a fucking preference you jackasses. It is an argued fact that it is meant to measure the skill of a person. There is already a place to measure the skill of a team, and it is team ranked. Solo-Queue has a purpose. It has always had a fucking purpose. Dynamic Queue has no fucking purpose. 3 players isn't a team. 4 players isn't a team. There is no fucking "team competitive experience" to be had in Dynamic Queue as much as Riot wants to try and argue that. Just because you're a 4-man premade doesn't bring you up to be a team - it brings you up to be a fucking group of 4 with one man short of a full game. You measure nothing in this queue.

But that's not even really the issue here. It isn't. That's really not the main reason I hate you guys.

The main reason is you're inconsiderate.

Which, yeah, you're probably laughing that I've said that. Go for it. I wouldn't be surprised because, taking into account how inconsiderate you've all been, you've probably never considered just how much of assholes you've all been. If you can take a step back from petting your own ego, then I'll explain the ultimate fault in all of you:

Normals exist.

Normals allow you to play with your friends whenever and however you want. You will always have a queue to join in and play with your friends in.

There is no solo-queue anymore for people wanting to see how far they've come. It's gone.

And here you all stand. Saying one single argument. "I like dynamic queue - I can play with my friends."

Solo-players have never made demands that you all should never play together. We have always known there is a place for it and have left you to it, live and let live.

And yet you demand we never play alone even when it may just be how we prefer to play.

Toxicity comes in many forms, and you've all just proven that you're just as toxic as everyone else. You just never fucking considered that because - again - you are inconsiderate.

That's the end of it. I'm sure there's half of you lot that will have nothing else to respond with but, "We won't miss you", and I'd laugh as you blindly prove me right again and again. You are the ignorant masses that I have no qualms leaving behind.

To all those who support solo-queue - I'm sorry. We did what we could. Now all that's left is to watch this game whither.

60 Comments

BakedLotion6/1/2016, 3:06:26 AM10 votes

What's even worse is that they admitted that dynamic queue is bad for individual skill, but still went through with it.

"We agree dynamic queue standings don't reflect pure individual skill as well as a solo ladder"

Dominick Destine6/1/2016, 3:00:36 AM7 votes

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And most of all, it takes out the last vestige of pure individuality from the game.

This.

My performance as dropped so bad since solo queue was removed.... it used to be that individual skilled mattered so much more... now it's about having the right people to queue with.

KillerKell6/1/2016, 3:03:51 AM6 votes

Actually, how I get most of my Pre Made Groups is organic... through games I play that day, running into players that do well enough and have good attitudes. We invite each other, groups form.

Very few players walk in with a Daily 'Same 5', and most that do are Higher Elo who do a lot more organizing (scheduling) than less invested Lower Elo players.

And whether I'm the Solo (my last 23 or so Games in Ranked were all Solo before my net went to crap) or Grouped, I always try to interact with ALL my Team Mates, whether they are Pre Made or not and whether I am Pre Made or not.

But hey, that's just how I do.

Narvuntien6/1/2016, 3:41:40 AM5 votes

Dynamic Queue lowers toxicity in game and more people are playing ranked than before.

which of these things do you disagree with and think we should stop having?

Br4ndon6/1/2016, 9:58:47 PM3 votes

No one defends DQ stop making shit up. You're just acting childish and lashing out at everyone because youre not getting your way.

Steal My Name6/1/2016, 10:55:29 PM3 votes

Obligatory "we won't miss you" comment.

Honestly, though, your argument is that WE'RE inconsiderate because we like something that you don't? You hate us because our approval of dynamic queue involves playing with friends? Your tantrum basically amounts to "My opinion matters, and yours doesn't."

I prefer dynamic queue to the old solo queue. Feel free to downvote me for that, but your assertion that dynamic queue players don't ever play solo is simply wrong. When I feel like playing league and none of my friends are available, I queue up by myself, and the same goes for all of the people I have ever queued with.

Solo queue still exists: it is the phenomenon that occurs when you press the "play" button when you're by yourself. You can go ahead and watch pretty much any league streamer to see this amazing trick in action. Somehow these people manage to progress in ranked even when they're by themselves, and somehow they resist the urge to complain at every opportunity about premades, and somehow these people's win rates don't skyrocket when they do queue with fellow streamers. It's almost like the primary reason for this barrage of complaints about solo queue is that people are too busy blaming everybody but themselves for their losses... you know, just like they always have. Blaming your team has always been the solo queue mentality, and this really isn't any different.

League has always been a team game, and individual skill has never been the deciding factor over, y'know, team play.

Anyway, I'm not suggesting that the system is flawless, it could definitely be improved upon and I think it needs to be - dynamic queue aside, the MMR system alone is ridiculous. Dynamic queue is only possible because of solo queue players, so I do think that Riot should be more accommodating towards them... but pretty much every thread that I've seen has been filled with insults, threats, and whining at Riot to change it, as well as claiming to speak for the entire community just because you rage the loudest.

FostXTV6/1/2016, 6:02:12 AM2 votes

Uh.. I thought it was one of "Fuck you" threads but this one is actually well written.. Good points and all.

R186/1/2016, 4:54:57 PM2 votes

So playing support in dynamic is toxic? I see where you are coming from but you can't call all supports "Jack-A$##$" and straight up say "F You" in our faces. You are actually the embodiment of the toxicity you claim to see in dynamic queue. This isn't only because i play support as I play mostly top/jungle in dynamic. I mostly play solo games and then invite people who I work well with to another game, which you are clearly incapable of as you are likely just as toxic in your games. If you talked like this in game, you would likely get a ban/warning. Not because of your claims, but because of your language as well as using supports as scapegoats.

ComatosePhoenix6/1/2016, 8:32:41 PM2 votes

I like dynamic queue. I like picking my role in advance and knowing that i wont get stuck with a role i dont feel like playing.

Miror B6/1/2016, 3:28:51 AM2 votes

Hmm, so people who don't actively care about queues went from neutral to "sociopathic and inconsiderate malcontents who want to murder this game from the inside"? Pretty sure these threads have gone full Trump, it's time to make LoL great again...

Zerolocke6/1/2016, 10:52:28 PM2 votes

I could not even read that whole thing from how much bs that guy was saying.

I played support solo before DQ and after. Yet I like DQ, so first should change your messed up way of thinking I must be right and assume everyone is thinking like me.

Really this post is so bad I do not even know what else to say... [slayer-jinx-unamused]

PrometheS6/1/2016, 4:20:06 AM2 votes

Exactly, the rank becomes pointless. There's no drive anymore considering it measure so little of your actual performance. It's more just to get better matchmaking than normals. It's not like there ever was that much prestige for a higher ranking but at least you knew that for the most part, it really was earned and it was a consistent experience for other solo players. Thus, it was fair. Now you have ranking X solo and another does it with only. They mean different things and show different skills.

Umio6/2/2016, 4:45:46 AM1 votes

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To all those who support solo-queue - I'm sorry. We did what we could. Now all that's left is to watch this game whither.

I really wanted to play solo queue to really test my game knowledge. Now whenever I play it, I just feel that everyone thats in thinks its a big joke [ I never queue up with friends ]. I see worse gameplay in ranked than I do in norms. I play the occational game. but 99% of my games are norms because I can expect better play in general on both teams. I've been in ranked games where people don't even know what vision wards are.

CoronaGulp6/2/2016, 5:44:47 AM1 votes

LOLOLOLOLOL omg THIS SHIT MADE MY CRY!!!! LOL "You're all fucking sociopathic." LOLOL

I kinda feel sorry for this dude, i mean how old is he?

Props for a bravery. lol. I'm sure the supporters of DQ are very very toxic. lol

The Deckowner6/2/2016, 5:28:04 PM1 votes

They literally said dynamic queue does not reflect one's individual skill, ranked is a joke now.

"people wanna have fun, people wanna play with friends!"---rito 2016

except we had normal queue for 6 SEASONS and people could ALWAYS play with friends.

dynamic queue lover could have played with friend even without dynamic queue, solo players can't play alone without solo queue.

Rito's head developers knows nothing about the game.

FiddlesOnTheRoof6/2/2016, 5:39:31 PM1 votes

I play about 75% solo, 25% with friends, and I love DQ. playing with premades has been nothing but positive, with increased communication and objective control. God forbid riot pushed the team aspect of a team game. If you want to gg solo shrek da n00bz wit ur sik mekkanikz, I recommend chess or boxing.

TheEvilQueen1356/2/2016, 5:47:33 PM1 votes

i personally don't care. I usually only play with 0-2 other people in dq and I like it just because they don't usually complain about not getting their desired role. I have actually encountered less toxicity in dq than the old one. HOWEVER I get that solo is important to a lot of people due to it representing more individual skill. I personally don't care, i'll solo in dq... tbh I just want the solo queue so people stop complaining

Meep Man6/3/2016, 4:12:50 PM1 votes

I defend Dynamic Queue for it to exist, I never defended the removal of Solo Queue. A lot of Solo Queue people are saying Dynamic Queue supporters in general hated Solo Queue, but that's wrong. We wanted the ability to play with friends, not the removal of a Solo players ability to fairly play the game. We could have added back Solo Queue and changed Dynamic Queue to fit around that, but Riot took the worst way out possible and removed it. I'm with solo players on this one, as somewhat of a hybrid Solo and Team player (half and half really). The removal of Solo Queue was the worst decision ever made by Riot.