Could we give Kindred *something back?

Onwodori··24 votes·1,746 views

Hey there, Onwodori here.

Now that I've gotten GP to rank 7, he and I are taking some time off from dating (We're still best friends -sniff-) and I am giving some other champs a try. Aatrox I discovered is ACTUAL GARBAGE right now. Less actual garbage but currently hurting is Kindred.

Firstly, she doesn't especially scale well with anything - Her values are low, her AD scaling is low. On hit effects, CDR, AS and sorta armor pen seem the best way to go so far but even still, they're all about grabbing marks far as I can tell. Triforce is kind nice as well. But he has had so much taken from him - Damage on his Q, Heal from E, placing their ult a distance, etc. Admittedly we were bored with how strong they were but I think this beat out GP for nerfs which is saying something!

How best do I utilize them and are there some fun tricks I'm not trying, IE, Building full tank or mystical magical Kindred Support? (Roaming, warding, stealing marked camps, build in damage, slow, percentage damage, more stylish bard ult)

Y'all are a tricky pair.

-Onwodori

30 Comments

ModWulf Helhammer11 votes

I think it would be nice if they added the heal back, but have it only work against champions. That way jungle kindred would still have to kite in the jungle to do well, but could get the extra boost they need to invade to grab marks (and it would help out lane kindred too)

xTropicalPenguin2 votes

If not that then at least get health back on marked champs

Astôlfo6 votes

People will cry and bitch if a super weak champion like Kindred gets even the slightest minor helping buffs.

Onwodori8 votes

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People will cry and bitch if a super weak champion like Kindred gets even the slightest minor helping buffs.

This is true. But I feel like increasing her base AD would be really nice? To let Sheen be stronger for her?

Astôlfo6 votes

Higher base armor and/or a lessened version of the heal they once had would be good I think. Because they struggle at clearing their own jungle, let alone invading early like they should've been good at.

Some AD buffs would be great too.

Onwodori5 votes

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Higher base armor and/or a lessened version of the heal they once had would be good I think. Because they struggle at clearing their own jungle, let alone invading early like they should've been good at.

Some AD buffs would be great too.

I'd like something that lets them consider going bruiser

redfeenix5 votes

Since we're talking about Champs that begin with K, we wanna talk about Kalista at all? She really garbage atm, way more than Kindred

Over Innsmouth3 votes

There's a reason, to be honest. Remember release-and-most-patches-post Kalista?

Now I love Kalista personally, she was my favourite ADC for ages until Jhin came along, but I admit that she doesnt not have the healthiest kit in the game, nor the most cohesive lore-gameplay connection.

She needs a rework, and one where they either focus on the "support-bond" part of her kit or the "inescapable spectre", not both.

MohawkBird2 votes

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Over Innsmouth2 votes

I wouldnt call it the worst, not when you've got bullshit like Leblanc's QR combo or Fizz as a whole or %health true damage as a mechanic, but yes, Martial Poise pretty awful.

NodaYame1274 votes

Yeah i really feel like Kindred aren't what they should have been on release

Blue Moon Wolf2 votes

Another victim of "OMG, this champ is too strong! Riot nerf them repeatedly pls". The biggest problem with them I've seen is that they completely removed their heal for a buff on damaging jungle monsters. Sure, that helps clear faster, but it doesn't do anything for you when your in a team fight. They lost a lot of team fight power for a jungle buff that honestly is debatable to be called a "buff" considering it used to be a heal.

DænariusKhølerin2 votes

I was for the nerfs... until their latest ones. It started being so easy for the champ to get exploded in teamfights. A lot of the times, it's so fast they can't pop their ult.

Keti1 votes

That's why the meta thing to do is to go bloodrazor -> hurricane -> bruiser items.

Jasiwel2 votes

Movement Speed: 325 -> 340

Base Atk Speed growth: 0.625 (+0% - 42.5) --> 0.675 (+0% - 53.5)

Generally speaking, I think these would help her the most. It would improve her ability to clear without gimping her as the current setup does, and it also turns her into a decent duelist again against most junglers. She'll be able to counterjungle faster and reposition better.

For context, she has one of the lowest base Atk Speed Growths and very low movement speed for a jungler.

BloodyTompon1 votes

Either of those is an enormous buff.

Jasiwel2 votes

Yes, I know. Kindred is in a very bad spot right now and lest you are VERY experienced with them, you're a suboptimal pick on a champion who has become quite easy to invade/counterjungle and there are few redeeming qualities later in a game for such a weakness.

Kingnewgameplus2 votes

So, legit question, has kindred ever gotten a direct buff? Ever?

Keti1 votes

Nope.

agbudar1 votes

yea she had a 62% winrate with her release stats after a while absurdly high for a while then it got brought down to more reasonable numbers.

she has a lot going for her with her ult that can turn many bad team fights around when placed right.

anyways with the way she was at release she overdominated with counterjungling that made nunu look like a saint.

Keti2 votes

As one of the few remaining high elo kindred players, please no. I'm so happy I finally get to play my favorite champion whenever I want without being treated like some kind of asshole.

Kindred is actually hideously bad. But is saved by bloodrazor being broken on them. Just looking at their kit, they are strictly a worse version of vayne. However they have arbitrary mechanics that let them jungle so they can build and abuse bloodrazor by getting some AS before going tank.

The biggest shame though is they were viable in every role before all the guttings, and the sad thing is the nerfs hit the non jungle roles the most. Imo the biggest problem was how over attached to the passive they are. It's clear the champion kit wasn't nearly as great as it could have been due to how hard they forced the bounty hunter passive onto it. When really, mark if the kindred should have been an assassination ult of some kind.

Scuttle Lover1 votes

No because that champ is cancerous enough as is

Keti2 votes

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Only Play Darius1 votes

Now that you mention it, I haven't seen Kindred in a very long time. But honestly she's the kind of champion I would rather not see at all than have strong again.

Onwodori2 votes

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Now that you mention it, I haven't seen Kindred in a very long time. But honestly she's the kind of champion I would rather not see at all than have strong again.

What about giving her a bit more utility rather than raw strength?

Only Play Darius2 votes

I don't know there's just something that annoys the hell out of me when it comes to ranged junglers. Even Fiddlesticks I don't like and this upcoming KogMaw bullshit doing Yi levels of damage from the bush, it's just something I don't want to see.

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