Is there a proper way to balance Akali without making her to an unplayable state?

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She's banned 50% of the time and I am one of those people who hate this champion but I don't think it's a good idea to just gut her to a point where she's unplayable. There's people here who play her to just rank up faster and there's people who play her because they love the champion itself not because of how strong she is.

I'm kinda scared of what Riot will do to champions such as Zed, Akali, Fizz and others because I don't trust the balance team at all ever since they murdered Cassiopeia :/ like I want Riot to listen to us for once and not pretend that they do listen to us and do the opposite of what we're asking for. Certain champs do need nerfs I agree but not an insane nerf that will just make the champion useless.

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The Chin13 votes

TBH Akali is one of the least threatening assassins

Obviously she's a monster if she gets fed (that's how it's supposed to be) but it's easier to keep her down than other assassins.

FantasySniper1 votes

Zed and Fizz, right?

Akali might be the next hardest on the list to shut down thanks to her smoke. Contrary to popular belief, true vision does not kill her, and she's still very capable of killing you.

Tentacle Love11 votes

Akali isn't the problem.

Assassins being ridiculously powerful and in demand compared to EVERYTHING ELSE is the problem.

azrolator4 votes

Agree here with love tentacles. I feel like akali is really maybe the least of them. But that isn't saying that much. But she is more catchable than the rest which is pretty much how they should be. All I hear to defend these guys is catch them with CC. That is mostly true of most champs, but most champs don't get compensated with untargetabilty and ability to burst down an entire enemy team.

It was bad enough when it was bottom lane adcs' betting engagements and team superiority on their crit chances. But now we have mid lane assassins trading kills with other mid lane assassins to see who can be the first to wipe the enemy team. Games are over a lot of the time before the 20 minute surrender bell has rung. Assassins as a class I think are toxic to the game. Not even in their abilities, but what they bring to a team. If an assassin has to wait until after a team fight to engage so he can ult reset and burst down 5 of the enemy team, then they do. So team fights are more of a 4v4 and when your team is dead then here comes the assassin to clean up. This just isn't fun for everyone else.

Xtremey2 votes

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Akali isn't the problem.

Assassins being ridiculously powerful and in demand compared to EVERYTHING ELSE is the problem.

the only reason assassins are in demand is because of how strong adc's have been after 4.10. someone needs to eliminate them.

Xela Syab1 votes

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Akali isn't the problem.

Assassins being ridiculously powerful and in demand compared to EVERYTHING ELSE is the problem.

^This is so true. I enjoy Akali but I never build her glass cannon, I won last game with Akali with Gunblade, Ninja Tabi, Frozen Mallet, Thornmail, and Sunfire Cape but that was due to a fed, zed, xin, riven and carry pretty much just stuck onto the enemy tanked all their damage and kept healing back to half health. I think that's her main issue is that crazy scaling sustain. I really do believe they need to do something about assassins because they are really outclassing every other champion in League. Maybe I'm just tired of this meta where I keep seeing mages and assassins in every lane.

Nagirah5 votes

I don't think she is op at all. Easy to kill and her burst isn't that big unless she gets fed. Also doesn't really have an easy escape mechanism. Meanwhile... Fizz Zed

Grimspeake4 votes

akali is fine, just upgrade your trinket at level 9.

Grimspeake4 votes

talon kills you in 1 second. akali needs 2 full rotations and the hextech active to kill someone.

Leti the Yeti2 votes

Talon MIGHT kill you in 1 second then hes fked if he doesnt

Akali will throw down a shroud and in about 2 seconds, she will unleash her 2nd rotation and it will probably kill you probably QW is all it will take to finis you off

SmokingPuffin4 votes

Akali is balanced. Even weak, objectively speaking. Only problem with her is that your teammate laning against her might suck.

She needs some more skill testing mechanics. Less targeted damage, more ability to outplay.

captainkaiger1 votes

It's not her, it's every Midlane champ not an assassin (He said with sarcasm). The only reliable champ to not get blown to shit by Akali is Galio, and you have to build your resistances from the get-go too. She does need less targeted damage, or lower range. My biggest gripe, is that her passive lifesteal/spellvamp, ON TOP of what she's gonna build is going to make her safe to go in on you, even if she has 1/4 health.

Maybe Lissandra would be able to survive longer than some with her snare and stun, but my guess is she's going to only delay that tower going down by about 2 minutes, since at some point that Akali is gonna outscale her.

SmokingPuffin2 votes

Akali is not that good. She just snowballs when ahead and is easy to play. I don't alter my usual mid lane selection of Ahri Syndra Orianna, and I think all three of these are favored against Akali.

If you want a dedicated counterpick, you can do a lot better than Galio. Consider: Annie Diana Swain Chogath LeeSin Lissandra Kayle

19 19 193 votes

In Master Tier/Challenger/Diamond I rarely see Akali being banned lol

TwoD3 votes

As a Assassin player I can say that she is pretty overpowered, as a Zed and Kata main I tend to have a really easier time winning lanes, getting kills and winning matches when I play Akali, despite barely playing her. I don't know what it is about her that makes her really easy to play, but I'm sure it has to do something with her Ult and Passive.

Malicious Fury3 votes

As Malzahar I wreck her every game. Just stay out of the damned red circle.

Grimspeake3 votes

item 2043 = counterplay finished.

Narasimha3 votes

She literally needs a new playstyle entirely. Everything about her is incredibly binary right now.

Ada Wong3 votes

Akali is balanced, play a proper team that counters her.

There is absolutely no reason why you can't pick a team comp that can beat an Akali or a Katarina its just because players in SOLO Q Lock champions often with no CC, completely unskilled I see it all the time even when I just started playing League again the Auto Locking, not thinking is just way high, then players complain about champions being over powered.

xNitori2 votes

The irony of people in the past saying that Zed is a balanced assassin is truly disturbing - it demonstrates how fickle the community can be.

I have no problem playing against an Akali because I have played her ad infinitum, I know her ins and outs and exactly what she will do.

Leti the Yeti2 votes

Easy, maybe if you lowered the range on her ult ffs its like fking 800 or some shit right now

Take away dicipline of force from her passive, bitch doesnt even auto attack to kill people anymore either we take this out or we remove crescent slash's ability to proc assassins mark

Grimspeake2 votes

people should learn to play akali so they know how to play against her... rather then just sayin op.

19 19 192 votes

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people should learn to play akali so they know how to play against her... rather then just sayin op.

I learned her but admit her ult shouldn't have resets lol... I remember when I first played talon I was shocked with joy on how OP he was xD

DJ Siamak2 votes

Her kit is terrible design and needs to be completely rebuilt.

Hinagiku332 votes

Akali's really not that bad, I strongly suggest playing her the next time she's free to get a handle on her if you're having trouble against her.

Unlike most assassins, Akali actually has a pretty long combo. Her full combo is Q > (wait a few seconds for cooldown) > R > E > Q > auto-attack > R > auto-attack > R > auto-attack. After she gets fed she doesn't need a full combo, but her first kill or two will need this unless her opponent was staying in lane at mid-low health.

Her general problems are mostly the same as other assassins, especially in the current pre-season 5 meta.

  1. The harsh jungle means that jungler ganks are harder to get to stomp her in early laning, and may even let Akali get a kill if she has a ward to spot a low-health jungler

  2. Roaming. Assassins going bot lane to turn a 2 v 2 into a 3 v 2 slaughter. That's kinda part of the archetype though.

  3. Akali does burst damage. If you need to engage her close she has the damage to smack you at least as hard as you hit her. If you get low in lane she can wipe you out in seconds. Again, part of the archetype.

I'd argue that Akali's kit is not in need of a drastic overhaul though. I agree that she should be made harder to play, but that's really about it. The biggest complaint is that her kit is extremely binary. She either has enough damage to kill you or she is useless. If she doesn't then she will do anything to avoid fighting you and will die horribly if you catch her. If she does then she will dive on you if you are alone and murder you. This even extends to the way she kills you since her kit is completely point-and-click.

All Akali needs is a touch of counterplay.

I suggest making her Q a skillshot. Akali won't dive you until she marks you unless she's already stupidly fed. If her Q was a skillshot then you can just dodge it and you'd be safe for the most part. You could even increase the range a bit so she can last-hit better if she's in trouble, but it'd be creep-blocked so you could just stay behind your minions and Akali couldn't touch you pre-6.

Maaaybe you could make it so she could only R onto a target marked by her Q, or to be a bit more fair you could just give her R a cooldown if she dashed to a target she hasn't marked even if she still has charges.

xNitori2 votes

Give her ult a small, but not destroying energy cost. Since Akali is already gated by energy it would solve the problem of her dashing repeatedly to a target.

19 19 191 votes

you two disagree that Akali isn't much but there's always threads of people complaining about her and the fact that in Rank she's banned soooooooooooo much.

Magma Lux Mid3 votes

A majority of people are low elo. Assassins are extremely good against people that have poor mechanics/don't know how to play against them even if the assassin isn't good themselves.

Toothless Lion1 votes

I'd give her a skillshot on something. Maybe her ultimate or Q to let her opponents have some hope of outplaying Akali.

lojician1 votes

Assassins are op because offensive classes are all broken as shit with blatantly better itemization than tanks. The classes assassins are bad against are worthless and assassinating a carry is getting ever more important. If bruisers and tanks ever start being viable and carries stop instantly blowing everyone up then said carries won't have to be instantly blown up themselves.

Xtremey1 votes

unfortunately, akali is like xin and irelia in the fact that her kit is straightforward. she will always be top tier or shit tier due to how her kit is balanced.

Crett1 votes

It'd be a funny nerf/buff if they made her ultimate a skillshot.

OJ1911 votes

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It'd be a funny nerf/buff if they made her ultimate a skillshot.

make her Q a skillshot, and heavily nerf the ultimate range if she wants to use it on a target that isn't marked by Q

problems solved

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Give her ult the Yasou dash treatment.

Procing Q on a target will remove this cooldown

Ult has counterplay now

how exactly does this add counterplay. She can RQauto before you can even flash if she clicks it fast enough, and then you've already flashed so the cooldown doesnt matter

Crett1 votes

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make her Q a skillshot, and heavily nerf the ultimate range if she wants to use it on a target that isn't marked by Q

problems solved

how exactly does this add counterplay. She can RQauto before you can even flash if she clicks it fast enough, and then you've already flashed so the cooldown doesnt matter

Hold ON a second. That's like a targeted Lee Sin Q

Cindikle1 votes

Give her ult the Yasou dash treatment.

Procing Q on a target will remove this cooldown

Ult has counterplay now

Salzigorimando1 votes

Ult as a skill shot maybe? Like Leona sworddash, if projectile A hits target B, Champion C (Akali) Ult dashes to target B. The only "Op" part of her kit is the fact that the only warning on her ult is "Hi! Here I am!" And as a resettable gap-closing mid-hi damage ability, being an uncounterable point and click seems a bit ridiculous.

FluxBound1 votes

Zed counters Akali. How sad ;n;

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Just one thought experiment... what if her Q was a skillshot? Maybe make it fly a bit faster, but now it also can miss. Would offer some counterplay imo... Not sure if that could actually work...

KevinDelMarr1 votes

Revert the buff she received long ago where she could proc Q with her E. She won't be able to trade as easily in-lane where she is supposed to be weak, and when she bum rushes you she will be forced to auto-attack (which she is supposed to be doing). Then you can mess around with her bonus auto damage to make it worth it to auto attack. This will make it harder for her to get off her damage, but still making it totally worth it when you do. I mean, is there really that much difficulty in pressing just spell keys on a single person until they die? Not for general 1v1

Tiax1 votes

Seeing akali doesnt stop her from one shotting with no mana and low cds, jumping hella far with reset, or crazy heal and guaranteed damage. The whole true vision argument is fucking stupid. Akali's ult should be a skill shot that stops at first champion struck, she would be more fun because she would be more mobile but slightly weaker because she could miss or be peeled, unlike now. And the whole vision thing is a retarded argument, implying that because you can kill a champion by buying specific extra items to focus them means they are balanced...

xNitori2 votes

If you only list Akali's strengths, OF COURSE she will seem OP to anyone. You have not listed any of her weaknesses.

one shotting with no mana and low cds

Excuse me, one-shotting? Even killing something as squishy as an ADC will take a full rotation (and that's a conservative estimate), and those low CDs have a drawback to them: high energy costs, particularly using her shroud is very costly. An Akali with no energy is useless.

jumping hella far with reset,

She is only guaranteed a reset if she kills you, and even a kill is not guaranteed. Her jumps deal pathetic damage and cannot be used to escape - another big drawback.

crazy heal and guaranteed damage

Most of her spell vamp comes from Hextech Gunblade (the AD component since her spellvamp scales with AD, not AP). Unless you plan on stacking spell vamp on Akali (which is stupid), you won't have much sustain. The reason why it looks like Akali heals a lot is because her health bar is so small.

And the whole vision thing is a retarded argument, implying that because you can kill a champion by buying specific extra items to focus them means they are balanced...

Akali is not the only champion countered by stealth-revealing mechanics. ALL champions with stealth in their kits are countered by true vision. Not to mention there exist a myriad of champions that can already reveal a stealthed Akali in her shroud (Lulu, Lee Sin, Caitlyn, Kalista, TF...). And no, the argument is not retarded. You have a tunnel vision concerning balance as you only review strengths and don't factor in the weaknesses. Balance must factor in both, and her weaknesses are a reason why Akali is not a hotly contested pick in competitive play, unlike Zed (a champion who completely invalidates his own identity as an assassin). Fizz, Talon at worlds pre-nerf.. For her class, Akali is pretty underpowered.

Akali's ult should be a skill shot that stops at first champion struck, she would be more fun because she would be more mobile but slightly weaker because she could miss or be peeled, unlike now.

Akali's ult had been a skill-shot in the past, which was scrapped by Riot pretty quickly as a skill-shot ult completely ruins the flow of the champion and makes her clunky and unreliable. The ult doesn't proc Q. Akali can already be peeled - I do it all the time when I'm playing support. She is not an assassin that requires the reaction time of a nano-second, and 12 seconds is more than enough time to peel her.

Tiax1 votes

Bruh... Don't rely on the pro scene for balance decisions, less than .01% of players besides the fact that their games are much slower paced. Your balanced view of akali is due to simply not seeing her very often or seeing highly competitive ones, I admit she has a weakness. No escape, which is pretty much a non issue considering her colossal kill potential. What are you hiding behind that smurf bro? Most likely some bronzie/low silv kid thinking you know something. I mean besides rank what the Hell are you talking about 12 seconds of peel. Her blinkesque dash would require God mode to stop, if you don't the carry is dead within 2 seconds to the avg akali who then has all those spells up again with nearly full energy 3 seconds later. It is known that akali has the easiest to manage energy out of them all. The fact that to begin to counter akali you must use extra gold just to counter the least essential part of her kit goes to show how broken she is. Broken shroud is just a cherry on top that gets akali out of many ganks free and can win her early game when she shouldn't.

xNitori2 votes

It seems your tunnel vision does not just include balance perceptions, but you also seem to lack reading comprehension and are utterly ignorant of a few facts as well.

Don't rely on the pro scene for balance decisions, less than .01% of players besides the fact that their games are much slower paced.

I used that example to illustrate that Akali's weaknesses do prevent her from seeing much competitive play - her kit leaves no room for misplays; An Akali that misplays is much more likely to die than a Zed who can just shadow away with no negative repercussions. Her kit is much less forgiving - her fixed spell-vamp won't help her survive when 3 people gank her into oblivion.

Your balanced view of akali is due to simply not seeing her very often or seeing highly competitive ones,

It is actually from having played and played against her millions of times, not so much from competitive. I played against dozens of Akalis both mid and support. Akali was never an issue for me.

I admit she has a weakness. No escape, which is pretty much a non issue considering her colossal kill potential.

This is what makes her kit so unforgiving - if you misplay, you die. And kill potential? Akali has pathetic kill potential when you compare it to Zed, Katarina, LeBlanc, Fizz.. to begin with, Akali does half the damage of Katarina with her entire kit combined. The thing that makes Akali Akali is her 3 dashes that cannot be used to escape. That's pretty much her only saving grace - the rest of her kit is a pathetic no-show. I felt a lot more impactful playing Katarina or LeBlanc than I ever did playing Akali.

What are you hiding behind that smurf bro? Most likely some bronzie/low silv kid thinking you know something.

And wow, an ad-hominem attack. Rank doesn't mean much when experience in playing the character is a much larger indicator of commenting on balance.

I mean besides rank what the Hell are you talking about 12 seconds of peel.

Her entire combo takes 12 seconds, if not more. Mark of the Assassin has an average CD of 6 seconds, then you must wait till you Q again, then E (7-3s), then R (2s between dashes). This is more than enough time for me as a support to peel her.

Her blinkesque dash would require God mode to stop, if you don't the carry is dead within 2 seconds to the avg akali who then has all those spells up again with nearly full energy 3 seconds later.

Aaaaaand I just told you that Akali doesn't delete someone in 2 seconds. She has to pull off her entire combo correctly. Akali gets 10 energy in one second, and her Q-R combo takes away a significant amount of energy. There is a window of time to peel Akali as a support. And if she shrouds, I always carry a pink ward with me. Assassins are hard-counters to carries - that's universal knowledge. Akali's assassination pattern is a lot more forgiving than LeBlanc's or Katarina's, who truly delete you in the blink of an eye. The only thing more forgiving than Akali's assassination pattern is Zed's assassination pattern.

The fact that to begin to counter akali you must use extra gold just to counter the least essential part of her kit goes to show how broken she is.

100 gold well spent compared to 300 kill gold for the Akali which will hurt your team. Besides, that one item takes away an entire skill of hers - and while she is busy killing that pink ward, that's when you focus her. Since she cannot escape, she is easy to focus. And no, it doesn't demonstrate how broken she is. Other than stealth, the shroud is completely useless. You seem to not have read the part where I mentioned that quite a few champions can reveal Akali inside her shroud, or where I mentioned that Akali's stealth is the least threatening considering that other champions' stealth is much deadlier and much harder to counter with a pink ward than Akali's. Again, let me reiterate: This item takes away Akali's only means of escape and/or juking. And you go nitpicking about the gold amount when it makes Akali completely defenceless in teamfights and various other scenarios.

that gets akali out of many ganks free and can win her early game when she shouldn't.

The MS Akali gets inside her shroud is, like her slow, absolutely pathetic and lasts for only one second. The nerf to her shroud actually makes it easier to gank an Akali because she has no resistances anymore.

With that said, I would suggest actually playing Akali and/or learning where she has her moments of strength and weakness before embarrassing yourself further. Because judging from what you have posted, it is very clear to me that you haven't actually played Akali but are only reiterating faulty and incorrect statements from others.

19 19 191 votes

Most of you say shes not an issue or a big deal, but in rank they ALWAYS ban Akali, which is unfair to the Akali fans because they can't play her till Riot does something to balance her out. It's not fun playing league when one of your favorite champions are banned 90% of the time. You can say how weak and how easy to kill her in lane all you want but it will never change the fact that this champion is constantly banned in ranked and draft because of people's fears.

xNitori2 votes

There's a reason why ban rates are not factored into balance as much as pick rates and how the champion is played at the highest level of play (Master/Challenger/LCS). Just because people do not want to deal with her out of sheer laziness or completely unfounded fears, it doesn't justify her getting nerfs. The game does not cater to peoples' fears and certainly should not yield to every nerf-demand du jour (see the Lee Sin QQ).

Nevermind the fact that Akali is the easiest assassin to shut down because her damage is absolutely pathetic compared to Kata, LeBlanc or Zed, or the fact that Akali should be a priority in teamfights (that's why one buys pink wards, so you can focus champions that can stealth themselves - as a support main, I do the same to Vayne, Twitch, Kha etc.)... Solo-Q is a complete disorganised mess, and with the changes to jungle and the dragon buff, Akali can survive in an environment that she would normally have no place in when Tier 1 assassins like Zed, Fizz or Katarina exist.

xNitori1 votes

I would propose giving Akali an energy cost to her ult - she is already gated by her energy costs late-game and an energy cost per dash would add a touch of counterplay to her without breaking her flow or gameplay.

Dingding1231 votes

No ulti should be able to do that much lol.

19 19 191 votes

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No ulti should be able to do that much lol.

Darius, Garen, Syndra, Annie, Zyra, Talon, etc etc ults are supposed to do that much damage but a smart choice would be 1st dash big burst 2nd dash medium burst 3rd dash small burst on the same champion

Tiax1 votes

Embarrass myself? Even if I'm wrong I still have the majority backing me up... You have a couple valid points about her weaknesses especially considering you don't have a good view of her, and you are quite good at arguing. But as far as I'm concerned this argument is over when you seriously claim, twice, that akali takes 12 seconds to get enough rotations to kill someone... If you believe that, there is nothing I can say that will change your mind, you simply aren't fully grounded in reality.

Btw playing a lot of norms doesn't outweigh ranked games, norms are terrible for learning the game. If you are a casual player that's fine hop on your main and stop hiding it, but also don't pretend even to yourself that you really know the game. If you are ashamed of using your main because of low rank than Fucking change it, I have a friend who is learning disabled and he went from B3 to G5 with only around 800 games (faster than me!). Literally anyone playing the game can do it you just have to not be your own worst enemy. Giving people flak over low elo is good because it gives them that stress they need to get motivated and get better. Just look at NA, we are all polite and accept fatness so more and more people get fat because there is nearly no cultural pressure to not be.

Mistikal1 votes

Just take away her ult reset on kills/assists and bam, balanced. She has to jump in and kill someone usually using about 2 charges, then she can chunk someone else and die instead of just spamming r r r r r r r r r r and ending up with a penta.

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