I miss the old days of s4-5 when I would play zed and rush BOTRK-BC-bloodthirster and other AD items now if I build anything other than lethality in pretty much trolling. Can we please change lethality so that it's not always the dominant choice for AD mid champs?
Takazaki5 votesRiot: we made a new stat to streamline to AD assassins and burst casters
player: yeah you know that thing you specifically made for them? it should be comparable to other options and therefore niche
Tahminatrix 5 votesI just want riot to disable lethality items for a patch just to see how it goes...sure ad assassins wont be played as much but its nearly impossible for them to not be played at all so they should still have some stats to go off of. (But then again im sure nobody would really know what to build and everyone would feel like they really are trolling)
haenex1 votesSAME really wish that they would do that
PhantomGG2 votes[{quoted}](name=Super Cow Swag,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aBqwjLPA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-08-29T07:48:03.218+0000)
I just want riot to disable lethality items for a patch just to see how it goes...sure ad assassins wont be played as much but its nearly impossible for them to not be played at all so they should still have some stats to go off of. (But then again im sure nobody would really know what to build and everyone would feel like they really are trolling)
Zed mains and talon mains would literally just quit and play dota lol. Lethality was invented for the assassin role got to the point where if you picking ad mains you were basically trolling.
BLIGHTBRINGER5 votesHonestly I feel like there's too much resistance penetration in this game in general, or Armor penetration to be exact. It's too dominant, not to mention the amount of True Damage that is accessible to everyone.
Yasuo (100% Crit) + R bonus 50% Armor Pen on Crits + 10% of Crit Damage from IE is converted into True Damage + additional +20% True Damage from Conqueror.
Zed running around at full build with around 36+ Lethality, 24% of target's armor reduced from Black Cleaver, and on top of all that Lords Dominik's Regards gives him additional +35% Armor Penetration.
I also wish I could see AD/AP Assassin's build something outside pure Penetration. Because of all of this, building resistances is pointless, because it will get countered through high penetration damage.
AD Example
AP Example
The difference between AP and AD Assassin's is that AD based Assassin's can have a full 6 item penetration based build while AP Assassin's only have 3 penetration items available to them (sorcerer's boots included).
Gabresol1 votes[{quoted}](name=Darkin Hybrid,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aBqwjLPA,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-08-29T10:48:43.888+0000)
Honestly I feel like there's too much resistance penetration in this game in general, or Armor penetration to be exact. It's too dominant, not to mention the amount of True Damage that is accessible to everyone.
I also wish I could see AD/AP Assassin's build something outside pure Penetration.
AD Example
AP Example
The difference between AP and AD Assassin's is that AD based Assassin's can have a full 6 item penetration based build while AP Assassin's only have 3 penetration items available to them (sorcerer's boots included).
don't forget conquerer.
BLIGHTBRINGER1 votesMy bad, thanks for the reminder.
wildfox991 votesYasuo (100% Crit) + R 50% Armor Pen on Crits + 10% of Crit Damage from IE is converted into True Damage.
you forgot + 20% true damage from conqueror
yeah you could as well build MR against him,at least you will block some of his E damage [sg-miss-fortune]
D357R0Y3R1 votesAP have 3 penetration items because magic resistance in this game (for reasons that i do not understand) is lower than armor by nearly 50%
Illabethe2 votesMagic Resist follows a different formula than Armor. It does more per point to reduce incoming damage. In other words, 150 Mag resist does about the same job as some 260 Armor.
The Magic penetration in the game is not actually on powerful items. They are on raw based items with really no other stats.
Sorcerer's shoes stops you from building defensively vers CC or on hits and offer no other stats.
Morellonomicon offers no CDR, and no passives other than Grievous wounds. (Pales in comparison to 
)
Void staff is really the only option which is worth its cost and has a place in early - mid game purchases on ALL mages.
D357R0Y3R2 votesI don't think you're understanding my point
a squishy has 30-39 base mr a squishy has about 80 base armor do you think 30 base mr has the same damage reduction than 80? hell fucking no even if the formula is different
you hit true damage with 2600 gold, assassins have lethality scaling with lvls and can't do that
Illabethe2 votes30 Base MR gives 23% reduction.
A squishy ACTUALLY starts with about 29-79 Armor as level progression (ie 
)
That's between 22.5% and 44% damage reduction.
At level 18, MF has 38.5 Magic resistance, or 27.2% Magic resistance deduction.
GodlyBane2 votesyasuo is 50% BONUS ARMOR PEN. If ur base armor is 80, he negates nothing, if ur base armor is 80 and u bought a 40 armor item 80 + 40/2 = 80 + 20 = 100. Yasuo R negates 20 armor.
SwiftKitten881 votesyasuo is 50% BONUS ARMOR PEN. If ur base armor is 80, he negates nothing, if ur base armor is 80 and u bought a 40 armor item 80 + 40/2 = 80 + 20 = 100. Yasuo R negates 20 armor.
which is another reason why its absolutely pointless to try to buy armor
its a worthless stat
i you can have a 4k hp 300 armor most AD champs even as 
, a with conquerer, 
would melt you as if u had none.
there is so much armor pen it makes building armor worthless
yet if u build 1 mr item and it forces a your enemy to break through it.
GodlyBane1 votesYou would be surprised how much a rammus can shut down yasuo.. you would really be surprised
SugeMinPikk1 votesRanduin's reduces IE's true dmg btw
Illabethe1 votesIt does indeed but it's still lacking on efficiency in shutting down the damage done or trading it, since most Randuin takers needed that slot for actual damage, CDR, etc.... There's only about 4 champions who actually Core it in a way where it's not detrimental to them (
. Most people build 
because of the pre-eminence of sustain champions. It's really hard to build vs both sustain AND IE especially since IE has a hidden passive that increases the utility of sustain (turns All Phys to True damage, including from spells/actions converted by Conquerer, into life steal/vampable sources of healing, even though it's true damage)
If Yasuo has both a and a 
, it's almost impossible to stop him, unless you build both AND 
, and maybe even 
for good measure. And then you actually need to have enough damage to kill him, which unless you're Malphite, you probably won't.
Noor Sakata3 votesThen first you need to convince Zed mains to not to ask for compensation buffs everytime Duskblade is nerfed
Alzon2 votesLethality should not be the best path for 
...
Vlada Cut2 votesOh really? Have you seen that popular Ireliia mid build yet?
/sarcasm
Yasuo isn't the only one played on mid without lethality darn it.
FOR JUSTICE2 votesto be fair thats because pretty much all AD midlaners are assasins. yasuo is, like, a skirmisher and actually has CC in his kit. therefore you cant really correlate the two because theyre two different subclasses of champions.
ergo, its only dominant because its the only build assasins can actually use, and yasuo doesnt build for burst.
Colton1471 votes
doesn't build lethality. 
Baron Barian1 votesYas uses a mixture of AA's and an on-hit ability, so he builds more similarly to an adc than someone like Zed. I suppose he could build lethality, but he wouldn't scale nearly as well with it.
Gabresol1 votes[{quoted}](name=Baron Barian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aBqwjLPA,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-08-29T07:56:50.073+0000)
Yas uses a mixture of AA's and an on-hit ability, so he builds more similarly to an adc than someone like Zed. I suppose he could build lethality, but he wouldn't scale nearly as well with it.
with IE and conquerer he has so much true damage, that lethality would not be worth the gold.
SmallCheeseCake2 voteswith IE and conquerer he has so much true damage, that lethality would not be worth the gold.
it's actually because lethality items aren't good for dps and give no survivability so they're not worth it.
D357R0Y3R1 votes
BLIGHTBRINGER1 votesI swear with 
& is the undying meme
Moody P1 votes
don't usually buy lethality either