Anyone have thoughts on varus nerf?

doodlebob666·Feb 23, 2017·1 votes·1,857 views

I remember seeing people worried about alternate playstyles of varus getting nerfed when riot was tossing the idea around. How does this nerf fit into that?

for context here is the nerf from surrender@20 (soon to be surrender@15)

> Varus Piercing Arrow (Q) Cooldown increased from 16/14/12/10/8 to 20/18/16/14/12 Total AD ratio on Maximum Damage lowered from 165% to 150% [new effect] "Piercing Arrow's cooldown is reduced by 5 seconds (affected by Varus' cooldown reduction) if the arrow detonates Blight stacks from at least one enemy champion"

10 Comments

Furor NexisFeb 23, 20173 votes

Made a thread about it a few minutes ago.

I like it. Lethality / Poke Varus will fade away, making room for his more AA based builds. While it may look like a soft nerf to all of his builds, it's actually a decent buff to his aa builds, while being a hard nerf for his poke build. In short, you can't stand back and spam q forever now, you actually need to risk getting into aa range, and use the rest of his kit to get the most out of it.

doodlebob666Feb 23, 20171 votes

do you think this kills lethality varus, or will it still be usable,

Furor NexisFeb 23, 20171 votes

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do you think this kills lethality varus, or will it still be usable,

It will still be usable, but now you'll have to take risks to get the most use out of it. If you want to make the most effective use of the poke build now, you have two options:

Sit back and spam Q. Deal with the max 8 second cooldown.
Get into AA range and start getting stacks in. Pop them to get the extra scaling CDR. You can't sit back safely anymore, but you're effectively using his kit for what it was designed for.

doodlebob666Feb 23, 20171 votes

good to hear that it won't be gutted i always liked the fact you could build varus as anything but tank and still make it work

Furor NexisFeb 23, 20171 votes

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good to hear that it won't be gutted i always liked the fact you could build varus as anything but tank and still make it work

Well. Technically you can't build him full tank but there are ways to make him into a decent bruiser.

Ho1d This QMar 13, 20171 votes

these changes are by no means buffs to his AA based builds. if you proc one of his blight stacks with his q it lowers the cd to literally what it was before these nerfs. so to his AA builds the only changes are the fact that the max damage is reduced by 15%. this is just another case of a champion being overpowered because of a certain stat from an item (not the stats of the champion) so instead of nerfing the stat like they should they nerf the champion instead. but as a varus main this doesn't bother me to much since i have like 3 other builds that are fun and strong. i just wanted to voice my opinion

Tyrone LannisterFeb 23, 20172 votes

Doesnt seem too overbearing. Honestly though Varus has some problems. The fact that his q does as much damage as it does so early in the game is a problem. No im not calling him "OMFG so OP PLZ GUT" but i would like him adjusted so he isnt so ridiculous. Hes supposed to be a utility adc and shouldnt have the early damage of a lane bully with his q. Yes you can dodge it but still

The new effect is also quite nice as it promotes him actually trading jnstead of sitting far back in lane afk poking

Furor NexisFeb 23, 20171 votes

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Hes supposed to be a utility adc

According to who? He was designed to be a long-range hybrid caster. His Q poke is an essential part of his design. The problem was that the rest of his kit was barely being utilized in the pro-scene. His ult was being used for for shotcalling in the pro scene as a counter to Ashe and Jhin's utility cc.

doodlebob666Feb 23, 20171 votes

not disagreeing with you but the utility from his ult is massive in proplay and crit varus was seeing play before lethality buffs because of it

TRVLRFeb 23, 20171 votes

Honestly I'm fine with it as is. I've never been a fan of q abusing lethality varus. This doesn't effect my sweet baby hurricane blight popping varus as much. I also like it wayyyy more for team fights as i'm not a big poke comp type of guy