How does everyone feel about the Rift Scuttlers?

Beerstein··3 votes·1,030 views

Currently they count as the only "large" jungle minions that don't give a bonus when you smite them. They give a base 50 gold, since they count as "large" they also give +30 bonus gold when you (a jungler) kill them.

Personally I'm unsatisfied. Right now some weaker clearing champs (Ex. Elise) are unable to handle this due to the fact that a strong clearing champ can take both "Rift Scuttlers" in addition to their own jungles in the time slower clear champs can clear their own jungle. This almost out of the gate creates a 160 gold disparity that only increases over time. That's rather huge IMO even if weaker junglers do start snagging some later.

I feel that there are two ways to approach this. One is to make them not count as "large" minions and remove the 30 gold entirely. The other is to switch off the bonus on the jungle item so you don't by default get a bonus 30 gold but switch it on for smite so instead of a "buff" you get 30 bonus gold for smiting the rift scuttlers. I feel like either of these changes would help bring slow clearing junglers more in line with more powerful junglers like Lee Sin without having to rework weaker jungle champions a lot. I also think the "smite for 30 gold" would add another tactical option for junglers in S5.

How does everyone else feel about them in general, from the gold to the speed shrine+vision etc. are you guys happy with the current state of Rift Scuttlers?

13 Comments

SnackieCakes2 votes

I don't like the Scuttle Crab at all. I am not impressed by the vision or speed shrine that it provides, don't like the idea of an invincible ward, dislike how it nerfs Teemo's ability to shroom up the river (even though I hate Teemo), and think it is an unnecessary buff to ward jumping characters like Lee Sin.

Sukishoo1 votes

It's hardly up and doesn't even last long... so how is it a "buff" at all to people like Lee, Jax, ect. They can only jump when it's in ward form afterall.

Beerstein1 votes

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I don't like the Scuttle Crab at all. I am not impressed by the vision or speed shrine that it provides, don't like the idea of an invincible ward, dislike how it nerfs Teemo's ability to shroom up the river (even though I hate Teemo), and think it is an unnecessary buff to ward jumping characters like Lee Sin.

I'll admit I don't like the invincible part of the ward either.

CaptnJakSparrow1 votes

i think rift scuttlers are cancer and are usually bugged. They should also perform combat out of hilarity.

Beerstein1 votes

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i think rift scuttlers are cancer and are usually bugged. They should also perform combat out of hilarity.

Bugged how?

CaptnJakSparrow1 votes

Every now and then, if you watch them, they'll just mindlessly glitch into the wall and get stuck. Also if you fight them in a specific way, you can force the dragon scuttle big into the pit, where it will freeze and stop moving. The baron one you can get it to ram into the blue buff wall and just stay there. But usally 35% of the time, it'll do it on its own anyways.

disregardable1 votes

Scuttles OP. I really like him. I actually think removing the smite bonus from scuttles is a bad idea, just because some of the lower damage champions may need to use smite to kill scuttles in a timely fashion. If you're going to nerf anything, his base cost should be nerfed to 30. That 50 gold is actually pretty snowbally for bot lanes that have their opponent pushed to tower and can control scuttles.

Beerstein1 votes

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Scuttles OP. I really like him. I actually think removing the smite bonus from scuttles is a bad idea, just because some of the lower damage champions may need to use smite to kill scuttles in a timely fashion. If you're going to nerf anything, his base cost should be nerfed to 30. That 50 gold is actually pretty snowbally for bot lanes that have their opponent pushed to tower and can control scuttles.

The bonus gold is from items, there currently is no smite bonus. I was actually suggesting removing the passive gold bonus from the item for this mob and adding it to smite. Also due to that gold bonus being for junglers only I feel like adcs taking it from their jungler are playing a selfish and dangerous game.

disregardable1 votes

Oh, really? O.o This is a great example of how much I play jungle.

Sukishoo1 votes

I like them most of the time. They can be pretty tough for some junglers and easy for others but overall the jungle itself is a bit tougher and I think that was the point of the season. They tried to take out the easy factor.

I also like the crabs cause it gives another vision spot outside of the 2 major objective camps and can take a bit off of the supports as people always thought supports should be warding those often, now I see it more as the jungler can actually keep an eye on what's in the jungle

Beerstein1 votes

So how does Riot feel about scuttlers? Any Rito junglers out there?

Sherogarth1 votes

Im sad when i must kill one of them, they dont even fight back :(

Beerstein1 votes

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Im sad when i must kill one of them, they dont even fight back :(

But if you don't kill them the enemy will!

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