This is why this system sucks.

Lyless·Apr 27, 2016·4 votes·1,740 views

I just played a game not too bad with Cho. 8/5/5. Lost of course...... But this is why I hate the system. I get 12 to 15 for one win and 20 to 22 points for a loss. Can't win every game. So, this system is actively trying to keep me from rising. I had a 15/2/7 game yesterday, I got 12 points for it. I get crap on my this game because it doesn't judge a loss as loss as it should It should not take in you past. No sport works that way. No system worth anything works that wa

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Mayor StubbsApr 27, 20166 votes

If you are losing more LP than you win, it means your MMR is lower than your current rating (This means the system believes you to be a worse player than most players at your current tier) - and it wants to bring you down to your "correct" rating (it wants to match you to your MMR)

edit: also, to find an "estimate" on your MMR you can use sites like na.op.gg which will tell you your MMR and what the current MMR is for the league you're in.

LylessApr 27, 20161 votes

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If you are losing more LP than you win, it means your MMR is lower than your current rating (This means the system believes you to be a worse player than most players at your current tier) - and it wants to bring you down to your "correct" rating (it wants to match you to your MMR)

edit: also, to find an "estimate" on your MMR you can use sites like na.op.gg which will tell you your MMR and what the current MMR is for the league you're in.

the system is wrong and bias. I already checked it on op.gg

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=lyless

Void NargacugaApr 27, 20161 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/85242ea2c484bdcde401a7953c5373a1.png

It says you are well below the average for that league.

You have 901 but the average for that league is 974.

LylessApr 27, 20161 votes

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https://i.gyazo.com/85242ea2c484bdcde401a7953c5373a1.png

It says you are well below the average for that league.

You have 901 but the average for that league is 974.

952

Void NargacugaApr 28, 20162 votes

Congrats on gaining MMR, (as of this comment right now, you are at 942). Now you just gotta keep improving yourself to keep climbing.

Or your just gonna drop again.

Sniper 0Apr 28, 20161 votes

If he keeps blaming the system he's never going to climb

Void NargacugaApr 28, 20161 votes

Yeah that is kinda true...

Once the MYMU hits I'm going into ranked myself honestly.

Got my favorite mid laners: Malzahar Veigar Zed Yasuo (stll learning these last two but I think I'm decent at them) and a few random others.

Supports: Morgana Leona Thresh

Jungle: Sejuani (I feel most comfortable playing her, though I have others that I can play and feel okay) Might add Gragas though if I have the IP for him (tried out his first clear in Customs felt nice and I like his general feel when I played him)

ADCs and Tops are less of my thing. Though I can play as the bot lane Marksmen if needed. I got quite the menagery of choices for Marksmen to choose from. Top though is "I'd rather not". Not exactly my best lane.

Maximum MordeApr 27, 20165 votes

Don't worry bro, soon you will be Bronze 65,000.

JayblazeApr 27, 20163 votes

Your win/loss ratio is negative. This makes the system thinks you're not good enought for your elo, and therefore tries to bring you down to an elo where you will be doing good.

Magnum MackApr 27, 20163 votes

You can't win every game, but in most elo's you'd be fine to keep a 50% winrate and still be climbing. A neg win/loss ratio probably is what makes it worse for you to try and fit you into an elo bracket where you would balance out to 50%

LylessApr 27, 20161 votes

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You can't win every game, but in most elo's you'd be fine to keep a 50% winrate and still be climbing. A neg win/loss ratio probably is what makes it worse for you to try and fit you into an elo bracket where you would balance out to 50%

with what I am paired with it's impossible. These guys just roaming, they will just leave their lanes. Or take your jg.

FHMarshyApr 27, 20165 votes

sorry if you cant perform what 50% of the player base can. That, really is your problem and no one else's.

LylessApr 27, 20161 votes

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sorry if you cant perform what 50% of the player base can. That, really is your problem and no one else's.

it is there fault when they just quit the lane and roam or afk and then announce it befre they do it. To say it doesn't is crazy!

FHMarshyApr 27, 20162 votes

Here are two cases I concluded that might be what you are claiming.

Everyone else who climbed out of bronze is lucky. You are claiming that all your teammates are playing horribly and costing you games after games after games. However, with the similar player base, there are players that get out of bronze on their own on a daily basis. How do they do that? Can't be that they are better than you, can it?
You are just unlucky. Somehow every single bad player is matched up to your game and on your team alone. I mean, that would be pretty terrible if it's possible.

Both claims are relatively illogical. So my suggestion for you is , instead of posting on board about how unfair the matches are, get better and carry out :)

Good luck

LylessApr 27, 20161 votes

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Here are two cases I concluded that might be what you are claiming.

Everyone else who climbed out of bronze is lucky. You are claiming that all your teammates are playing horribly and costing you games after games after games. However, with the similar player base, there are players that get out of bronze on their own on a daily basis. How do they do that? Can't be that they are better than you, can it?

You are just unlucky. Somehow every single bad player is matched up to your game and on your team alone. I mean, that would be pretty terrible if it's possible.

Both claims are relatively illogical. So my suggestion for you is , instead of posting on board about how unfair the matches are, get better and carry out :)

Good luck

My teammates ususally do play badly. The other team is often better.
I have gotten a ton better but I have to win so many games in order to advance to the next League in this case B3. I have to win 10 games in a row to B3. If I lose just one I lose 20+ points, but when I win I get 10 to 13 points. That's a fact.

You don't have any logic because you have no facts.

FHMarshyApr 28, 20162 votes

How is it possible that your teammates are usually worse than the enemy team? Are you claiming that Riot is taking it personal when it comes to you and pair you up with worse team mate?

You have no facts on claiming your team mates are worse than the enemy team.

You have no proof on yourself improving when you are still struggling in ranks.

You are gaining less and losing more is, as Riot officially state, because you are in a higher elo(rank) than you actually belong. If you look at your match histories, you will realize in most of the games, you are the only bronze 4 with 9 other bronze 5 players. If you lose against full team of bronze 5 players, that should mean that you are equal or below their skill level, which by Riot's calculation will make you lose more points. if you win against full team of bronze 5 players as a bronze 4 player, that is what is SUPPOSED to happen as you are a tier above them, hence less gains.

If you start winning more, as your match history shows, you will start noticing more bronze 4 players on your team or against you, which will allow the gain and loss to equalize.

Research your elo mechanics befor whining please. It is season 6 and the rank mechanic has been established for quite a while.

LylessApr 29, 20161 votes

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How is it possible that your teammates are usually worse than the enemy team? Are you claiming that Riot is taking it personal when it comes to you and pair you up with worse team mate?

You have no facts on claiming your team mates are worse than the enemy team.

You have no proof on yourself improving when you are still struggling in ranks.

You are gaining less and losing more is, as Riot officially state, because you are in a higher elo(rank) than you actually belong. If you look at your match histories, you will realize in most of the games, you are the only bronze 4 with 9 other bronze 5 players. If you lose against full team of bronze 5 players, that should mean that you are equal or below their skill level, which by Riot's calculation will make you lose more points. if you win against full team of bronze 5 players as a bronze 4 player, that is what is SUPPOSED to happen as you are a tier above them, hence less gains.

If you start winning more, as your match history shows, you will start noticing more bronze 4 players on your team or against you, which will allow the gain and loss to equalize.

Research your elo mechanics befor whining please. It is season 6 and the rank mechanic has been established for quite a while.

you are so wrong it's not even funny. In my last 50 games, my win rate has been higher than what it was. You say you have facts but no numbers to back it up.

FHMarshyMay 4, 20161 votes

The fact is, you are playing against bronze 5 players when you are bronze 4. If you belong in bronze 4, which is HIGHER than bronze 5, you should be winning and not losing. THEREFORE, if you win, you gain less points and if you lose you lose more points.

Understand yet? I tried my best to describe that throughout my threads above, but clearly you have difficulty understanding.

LylessMay 4, 20161 votes

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The fact is, you are playing against bronze 5 players when you are bronze 4. If you belong in bronze 4, which is HIGHER than bronze 5, you should be winning and not losing. THEREFORE, if you win, you gain less points and if you lose you lose more points.

Understand yet? I tried my best to describe that throughout my threads above, but clearly you have difficulty understanding.

I am winning more than I am losing. But this game system is messed up. Therefore they steal my promo games from me and screw me on points all the time.

FHMarshyMay 4, 20161 votes

So you are claiming that somehow Riot is just aiming at you to screw up your ranks while others in your division climb up on a daily basis?

Seems logical.

Sarcasm aside, players in your division, bronze 4, climb out easily by performing good on a consistent basis.

That is the truth. If you want to say that you are ONE individual that Riot picks on to screw over, I'd say you are biased and can't reflect on your own plays.

LylessMay 4, 20161 votes

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So you are claiming that somehow Riot is just aiming at you to screw up your ranks while others in your division climb up on a daily basis?

Seems logical.

Sarcasm aside, players in your division, bronze 4, climb out easily by performing good on a consistent basis.

That is the truth. If you want to say that you are ONE individual that Riot picks on to screw over, I'd say you are biased and can't reflect on your own plays.

I am winning 70% of my games. I have so for the last 3 weeks. This system needs to change. You need change your opinion of me as well.

FHMarshyMay 4, 20161 votes

System needs to change because everyone but you are climbing out? Ok.

I have no opinions on you; I disagree with your statement about rank is all.

My honest suggestion after looking at your games is for you to learn some other lanes as your secondary and practice until it's as good as your warwick in the jungle. You will be climbing faster

LylessMay 4, 20161 votes

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System needs to change because everyone but you are climbing out? Ok.

I have no opinions on you; I disagree with your statement about rank is all.

My honest suggestion after looking at your games is for you to learn some other lanes as your secondary and practice until it's as good as your warwick in the jungle. You will be climbing faster

where is everyone climbing out? A whole bunch of people aren't. This system needs to change. I know how to play. You need to stop being a fan boy.

FHMarshyMay 4, 20161 votes

I climbed out, My friends are climbing out. I honestly don't know anyone that is actually STUCK in bronze 4. I hit the limit of friends on the League and the only one in low bronze are the ones that decayed there.

Sorry if it's that hard for you to believe the problem is with you and not the system. My condolence.

Good luck climbing out

hh the thinkerApr 27, 20163 votes

you had windspeaker's blessing as your key stone on cho...you have a bit of a problem there since you don't have any active heals or shields first off. it's not the system's fault if you take the wrong runes and masteries and make mistakes in the game.

Kitty WhiskersApr 30, 20162 votes

So if anyone would like to see lyless's gameplay and give him some tip's which i've tried but as seen here http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/lEKaA4fh-advice-on-here-forums-doesnt-work?show=flat&page=5 He is better then me because we are in the same elo. I have uploaded 2 game's we played with lyless to mediafire from the record saver known as BaronReplay's. When you download the file's you have to copy them to the replay folder of the BaronReplay's program. Anywho here they are https://www.mediafire.com/folder/fcu25m4ijfohf/Replays . In one he went positive and in another he went negative. We've all tried to give him tip's such as decision making and whatnot but maybe if someone from a higher elo watches these they'll be able to give him better tip's then us. P.s dont mind my mastery flashing lol it's what i do when bored.

EndlessSorcererApr 30, 20164 votes

I doubt anyone is going to bother.

Lyless has repeatedly and consistently, over the course of more than a year, shown that they do not want help or to acknowledge their flaws.

They treat any advice given as a provocation or insult and simply wish to shift blame for their poor, poor ranking from their own incompetence to their teammates and the ranked system in general.

People have tried. At this point, I'm pretty sure that most of the regular posters are just watching due to schadenfreude and for their own personal amusement.

LylessApr 30, 20161 votes

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I doubt anyone is going to bother.

Lyless has repeatedly and consistently, over the course of more than a year, shown that they do not want help or to acknowledge their flaws.

They treat any advice given as a provocation or insult and simply wish to shift blame for their poor, poor ranking from their own incompetence to their teammates and the ranked system in general.

People have tried. At this point, I'm pretty sure that most of the regular posters are just watching due to schadenfreude and for their own personal amusement.

Regardless of wheeter I am bad or not. The system sucks.

TheI3igDaddyMay 3, 20161 votes

There's a term for these people you know? Shitposters.

LylessApr 30, 20161 votes

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So if anyone would like to see lyless's gameplay and give him some tip's which i've tried but as seen here http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/lEKaA4fh-advice-on-here-forums-doesnt-work?show=flat&page=5 He is better then me because we are in the same elo. I have uploaded 2 game's we played with lyless to mediafire from the record saver known as BaronReplay's. When you download the file's you have to copy them to the replay folder of the BaronReplay's program. Anywho here they are https://www.mediafire.com/folder/fcu25m4ijfohf/Replays . In one he went positive and in another he went negative. We've all tried to give him tip's such as decision making and whatnot but maybe if someone from a higher elo watches these they'll be able to give him better tip's then us. P.s dont mind my mastery flashing lol it's what i do when bored.

we all? Who's we all? Oh you mean, those guys who quit playing after two games? Those guys. Yeah, I can really get a good feel of how good they are from 2 games? Same goes for you.

OrphanerDualscarMay 1, 20161 votes

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we all? Who's we all? Oh you mean, those guys who quit playing after two games? Those guys. Yeah, I can really get a good feel of how good they are from 2 games? Same goes for you.

Well then ask us to play holy shit. You didn't seem too eager to play in the first place, so if you want to play with us, just ask, and we'll probably play unless we're busy.

LylessMay 2, 20161 votes

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Well then ask us to play holy shit. You didn't seem too eager to play in the first place, so if you want to play with us, just ask, and we'll probably play unless we're busy.

yeah right.... we will see.

Emerald FangApr 30, 20161 votes

What's your MMR and current division? Please reply to this; I know about the system pretty well.

LylessApr 30, 20161 votes

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What's your MMR and current division? Please reply to this; I know about the system pretty well.

959 and B4

Emerald FangApr 30, 20161 votes

That's really odd. Bronze 4 MMR's are usually like 500-600. IDK man.

OrphanerDualscarMay 1, 20161 votes

The more you win, the more LP you get. If you're consistently winning games you'll get more LP because you've shown that you earn the wins rather than just getting carried. Like right now, I've been winning more games than losing so it's been giving ~23 LP for each win, and less for losing. So if you start winning more than you lose you'll be gaining more LP per win

LylessMay 2, 20161 votes

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The more you win, the more LP you get. If you're consistently winning games you'll get more LP because you've shown that you earn the wins rather than just getting carried. Like right now, I've been winning more games than losing so it's been giving ~23 LP for each win, and less for losing. So if you start winning more than you lose you'll be gaining more LP per win

lies. I am winning far more than losing as of now I win 1 game I get 13 points tops, I lose like the last game I am losing 25 points. I am carrying a lot of games as well. This system is trash.

kind of okMay 2, 20161 votes

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lies. I am winning far more than losing as of now I win 1 game I get 13 points tops, I lose like the last game I am losing 25 points. I am carrying a lot of games as well. This system is trash.

Lies. You have 30 more losses than wins.

LylessMay 3, 20161 votes

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so what? The game should not punish me for what happened so long ago. What I am doing right now should matter more

Kitty WhiskersMay 2, 20161 votes

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The more you win, the more LP you get. If you're consistently winning games you'll get more LP because you've shown that you earn the wins rather than just getting carried. Like right now, I've been winning more games than losing so it's been giving ~23 LP for each win, and less for losing. So if you start winning more than you lose you'll be gaining more LP per win

Uhh i dont think it's that way lol. The more game's you win in a row the less lp you get. For example if you win 5game's and got 17lp each time you'll get 12 and lose 15-20. Reason is you have to be better then your division and to be sure you are you have to have more risk. More challenge so if you win alot riot tests you by putting you with better people and if you win you gain a small amount of lp. Because you were more likely to win due to them being higher up. However if you're losing constantly you're gonna be put with lower people and gain more because you were less likely to win. By this system you prove you are better then your division. That or im retarded both works lolol

LylessMay 2, 20161 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=lyless

14 wins out of 20. But this system is now punishing me more when I lose. It jumps from 22 for a loss to 25.

MeurtrierrMay 2, 20161 votes

I will tell you one thing. You're not bad at all based on your scores per games, but Warwick is bad in bronze, trust me, i tried him.

Me, i go mundo only right now and since then, i win almost none stop. I go mundo top or jungle. Gang-Plank is also very good in bronze.

I would advise you to take a champ who has great mobility, tankyness and a champ who knows how to survive. You also need one that can deal damage to all enemy team at once. Since bronze players like to clump-up in mid a lot, you need a lot of AOE's. A lane pusher is gonna help you separate the enemy team and if they don't separate, this mean you get to pick an other free tower. You must never die because if you do no one will be left. Bronze players die a lot. This mean, if you`re dead, it's an ACE.

Mundo is the best at all of this togheter. Gang Plank comes after him.

None of the champ you pick are good at this.

Cho-gath is acceptable: he can grow very big, he got stun, an instant big damage and a lot of AOE's. He is also good enough as a lane pusher. 1 problem, he got no mobility so if you don't have 6 stack, good luck.

If i were you, this is the list of champion i would go for:

LylessMay 2, 20161 votes

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I will tell you one thing. You're not bad at all based on your scores per games, but Warwick is bad in bronze, trust me, i tried him.

Me, i go mundo only right now and since then, i win almost none stop. I go mundo top or jungle. Gang-Plank is also very good in bronze.

I would advise you to take a champ who has great mobility, tankyness and a champ who knows how to survive. You also need one that can deal damage to all enemy team at once. Since bronze players like to clump-up in mid a lot, you need a lot of AOE's. A lane pusher is gonna help you separate the enemy team and if they don't separate, this mean you get to pick an other free tower. You must never die because if you do no one will be left. Bronze players die a lot. This mean, if you`re dead, it's an ACE.

Mundo is the best at all of this togheter. Gang Plank comes after him.

None of the champ you pick are good at this.

Cho-gath is acceptable: he can grow very big, he got stun, an instant big damage and a lot of AOE's. He is also good enough as a lane pusher. 1 problem, he got no mobility so if you don't have 6 stack, good luck.

If i were you, this is the list of champion i would go for:

I am not good with Mundo. And most of the people you have on this Iist I am not good with.

MeurtrierrMay 2, 20161 votes

Here's a few more:

Sejuani Rumble Sona

I don't own those champions except Rumble, but they got what it takes.

The new taric can go top and jungle. The new rumble update will allow him to push lanes efficiently; you can even go jungle with him. I own rumble, but i used to not give a shit about him because he was useless as a lane clearer.

Or, you can show me what you got and i will tell you which champions you should main to carry most of your games in bronze.

LylessMay 2, 20161 votes

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Here's a few more:

I don't own those champions except Rumble, but they got what it takes.

The new taric can go top and jungle. The new rumble update will allow him to push lanes efficiently; you can even go jungle with him. I own rumble, but i used to not give a shit about him because he was useless as a lane clearer.

Or, you can show me what you got and i will tell you which champions you should main to carry most of your games in bronze.

I can use Sej. Rumble is just useless to me. I have never used Sona, so I don't know.

LylessMay 2, 20161 votes

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I will tell you one thing. You're not bad at all based on your scores per games, but Warwick is bad in bronze, trust me, i tried him.

Me, i go mundo only right now and since then, i win almost none stop. I go mundo top or jungle. Gang-Plank is also very good in bronze.

I would advise you to take a champ who has great mobility, tankyness and a champ who knows how to survive. You also need one that can deal damage to all enemy team at once. Since bronze players like to clump-up in mid a lot, you need a lot of AOE's. A lane pusher is gonna help you separate the enemy team and if they don't separate, this mean you get to pick an other free tower. You must never die because if you do no one will be left. Bronze players die a lot. This mean, if you`re dead, it's an ACE.

Mundo is the best at all of this togheter. Gang Plank comes after him.

None of the champ you pick are good at this.

Cho-gath is acceptable: he can grow very big, he got stun, an instant big damage and a lot of AOE's. He is also good enough as a lane pusher. 1 problem, he got no mobility so if you don't have 6 stack, good luck.

If i were you, this is the list of champion i would go for:

Also my style of play doesn't play well with anyone of these champs. I don't use ADCs. So, that's out.

JabberwöckyMay 2, 20161 votes

You have 600 games, in bronze 4, with a 47% win rate. THATS why you have low gains, and high loss. Once you get over 50% win rate, youll get more LP. Period.

ZoeeeeMay 3, 20161 votes

Everyone in bronze and silver is having this problem now.

Colgate GatorMay 4, 20161 votes

According to na.op.gg you have a win ratio of 48%, that's quite low, so you're basically tanking your MMR.

And checking MMR does indeed confirm it

Your MMR is lower than the average expected MMR for players in your division. Your MMR will continue to tank unless you improve your play! 928 MMR

So, basically, system is working as intended and you're tanking Bronze 4, yo.

LylessMay 4, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Postal Badger,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Zc2rnyTP,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2016-05-04T16:36:41.018+0000)

According to na.op.gg you have a win ratio of 48%, that's quite low, so you're basically tanking your MMR.

And checking MMR does indeed confirm it

Your MMR is lower than the average expected MMR for players in your division. Your MMR will continue to tank unless you improve your play! 928 MMR

So, basically, system is working as intended and you're tanking Bronze 4, yo.

it was 44%. But thanks for not giving me credit for getting up to that point. I am sorry I can't win every game like u can.